If we got the Throwing skill back they could expand on the throwable weapons arsenal.

Not all of us "dinosaurs" started out with the originals. I myself did but others started out with Fallout 3. Also, I don't know anyone that calls themselves "dinosaurs" that hate Fallout 3, just not happy with the writing and missing things like reputation system and damage thresold.

How was Van Burn going to be crap? There was going to e a guy trying to make Born Ghouls.

Ghoulification quest I am on the fence about. If it can be done where the game changes as in people know you are a ghoul and no longer human, that would be good. A way to change back, I would be against.

But I didn't mention Nightkin as a playable race now, did I? Just humans, ghouls and the typical mutant. What bonuses do you think they should have?



I am sorry, is that flame or flamebait?

Fallout 4: Chicago the Windy Wasteland and the rest of bankrupt Illinois

So the Dinos compare a game that never came out to Fallout 3. Hmm how can they say that it had better lore if they never played the game?


Not too fond of the multiple race idea either unless it's a non-canon spin-off game

Cause of this: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Van_Buren_design_documents

The only thing I'd like to see for FO4 (well, mainly the only thing), would be more faction depth. Something similar, but greater than, Mercenaries 2 World in Flames, in that you can capture outposts and towns for them. Another faction edition I'd like to see is if you could actually be IN the faction, instead of just being a beneficiary. For me, that would add a lot of depth to the choices and the overall feel of the game

Say! I've got all those design documents.

as cool as some of the stuff is/was for VB, you can't consider it lore.. not just becuase it didnt actually happen, but because they can't ever be used, legally.

i really really like the idea of using mesa verde

It gives some thinking excercises too, to figure out these mechanics (even if one can not get to testing them). And even if they are generally a bit out of place, they provide better discussion than suggesting something a bit more RPG and more in line with the originals.

Here's your securitrton:
Securitron pros:
High DT and DR and HP
Bonus to science
Bonus to speed

Cons:
Can't say no and must help everyone in contact.
:P

Man, that's what my human characters are like :sadvaultboy:

All in all, pretty cool. I love the robots in Fallout; I hope they have a robot society/faction in F4.

With personalities like the guard dog at Underworld. My loyality is to the ghouls!!!..... those disgusting ghouls......

I want to play as in Intelligent Deathclaw damnit!

Pros:

1. Amazing DT

2. Natural Armor.

3. Sweeping attack.

Cons.

1. Everyone attacks you.

2. Can't hold a gun.

They extinct.
Maybe a Talking Deathclaw from Tactics but not V13 Intelligent Deathclaw.

Ghouls are cool, too. Someday an industrious ghoul will figure out how to train his feral cousins, you know. Teach 'em to wear clothes and not attack until they're close...

But enough about stinky ol' ghouls... how'd you like a robot DJ? Or a pair (a securitron and a Handy)?

I know, that is why I want to play as one Maybe a Wannamingo.

I'm all for it, as long as the robot isn't as dull as Mr. New Vegas (was also was a robot).

I think that to make those who didn't like Three Dog and those who didn't like Mr. New Vegas would be happy with a mix of the two... It could be a robot with a personallity. (A Commonwealth experiment, make a robot seem to have personality and give him a radio broadcaster to see what happens)

Securitrons are only in New Vegas, all of them House's except Yes Man.

How about when you help a fraction become stronger,you actually see them doing something that shows that they are doing better,like you see there territory get bigger or you see more patrols of them in places they where never at before and their numbers grow bigger or see them occupy another fraction base, or maybe help them take it over somebody's else's base or help them defend a place they just took over, or help them defend their own base.But at the same time it should feel like its random and not part of the story line as if the Fallout 4 world was really alive even if you turned off the game. Because thats where NV dropped the ball at.And the best story line ever with side-kicks I actually care about like in NV. Because in fallout 3 there was really no choose on how the story went witch I really didn't like.And people that don't repeat the same-thing every time you talk to them and more voices and a better engine that can handle allot more.And of course a big map kind of like fallout 3 map but bigger.O ya and a simple press start and your friend can play as a one of you side-kicks wouldn't hurt. So what i'm saying is I want some unholy chimera of both Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas but better then both.Thats not to much to ask right? lol or forget everything I just said and just make Fallout 4 one of the best video games of all time and ill be happy. :toughninja:

I think it'd be pretty cool if when you help a place you can see improvements.

Lets say ou play a mission for a small town's militia that's fighting the Commonwealth. Against all odds they took the Commonwealth's closest bunker and you have to guard a caravan there to give them supplies. And after you complete the mission and you go into their storage closet you actually see a lot more food and a few more weapons. That'd make things feel more real.

I hope that in F4 you can actually start a caravan or work for one or actually become a contributing member of society. How can almost everybody else in a town have a job except you?

I also really hope the game world is atleasttwice the size of F3 and NV (It annoyed me how in NV the entire eastern part of the map was just raised flat land, why can't we go on Legion turf?)

Okay, just looked over my suggestion for races and I've cut down it to five and expanded on all with pro's and con's, how's it looking?

You should add something like hearing whispers and random people becoming enemies on your compass for no reason, but they don't attack you.


Edit: for Nghtkin.

Think that would be too irritating for Nightkin players with random people becoming red dots on the compass but the idea of whispers and random red dots popping up while there are no enemies there is a good idea.

Gab, i explained to you that radiation would have an effect on androids, while it attacks END and other stuff in humans, the damage it does to circuitry could be put forth in PER and INT damage.

So each 200 gives -1 PER and -1 INT?

New idea for humanoids and trogs:

Each 10 radiation decreases max hp by 1% (this means that 1000 = -100% = death.)
So 300 radiation means that max hp is decreased by 30%.
This would give radiation another negative drawback other than the -stat effects.

Everything there looks very very good I'd love to play as a Nightkin just for the paranoia, hearing whispers and seeing red dots on the compass when no one is there. But I did kinda like the idea that people you actually see in, say, a settlement, could show up as red on the compass, like you suspect them because they gave you a weird look or you thought you heard them planning to kill you when you actually just imagined them saying it. Of course the people aren't hostile to you, they will act like they normally do but due to your schizofrenia, you think they might be after you.
What if when you walk passed people and normally they say "hello" or speak about something random like nuclear winters, their wishes for more gambling, hearing a gunfight the other day and you know, the normal things. But when as a Nightkin, you walk passed someone and there is a random chance that instead of saying any of that friendly stuff, they could say something really nasty to you with a psychotic voice like "if only I had my butterfly knife on me, I'd cut your spleen out and force you to eat it" or something... I'm really bad at threats, but yeah... your Nightkin character would think that he heard a random person spitting this out at him, but you as a player know that it's just inside your character's head because he's paranoid so you can just choose not to beat the living crap out of this innocent person for threatening you.

Also, I'd like to play as a Trog just because of the white skin, hair and eyes. How scary wouldn't that look?

This is the main thing I would like as well, I think it would add more depth to the game with the factions growing stronger and weaker, with realistic outcomes for your actions.
An example of why this should be included: In NV if you

*SPOILERS*

kill every Legionnaire at Cottonwood Cove, nothing happens. it would be awesome to see either the NCR move to take the Cove, or The Legion keep sending waves of people to attack it.


One more thing I'd like is a better engine that can handle more people in one battle (Hoover Dam was disappointing for me). MAG showed it was possible to have 256 people in a large map, why cna;t New Vegas hav more than 30 in a small area like the Dam walkway?