Fallout style Real time strategy : Fallout Series Discussion

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:54 am

It probably would be condemned to the bargain bin then.
Halo wars was very dependant on it being a Halo game. I don't think a Fallout RTS would have that kind of pull.
And PC players will just use mods instead.

But the thing is that there isn't exactly much to put into a game. I think a game more like Civilization would work better where you have to build up a city and research things while finding the best resource your city can get, then troops to conquer other cities and defend the ones that are present.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:41 am

YES YES, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YES. NCR, Brotherhood, Enclave whoever i want a strategy game... kinda like tactics, but better graphics, better system, i was always dying in tactics one, because my squad wasnt killing any enemies, totally not my strategy skillz fault. I would pay for a game, where u are in control of a large army of whatever faction you choose, and can destroy the enviroment or something like that.

make it happen i say

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:18 pm

But the thing is that there isn't exactly much to put into a game. I think a game more like Civilization would work better where you have to build up a city and research things while finding the best resource your city can get, then troops to conquer other cities and defend the ones that are present.

Can you not do this in an RTS?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:33 am

I think a turn based strategy game like Civilization would work well for Fallout.

It could. Certainly. Although, I don't know if that sort of indepth managerial style would offer too much gameplay yield or depth for such a small scale of events and parties. Over an RPG esque approach which basically combines the aspects of "state" and "character" centricism in (at least almost) equal measures, that is.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:58 pm

Can you not do this in an RTS?

Not the same way as Civilization.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:54 am

in civilization and total war, depending on how you play, most of your time was devoted to building up your technology and logistics more than simply launching a campaign. COH and AOE are more centered around the fights themselves, which has it's own appeal, but doesn't have the capabilities of total war in terms of how you want to play the game. personally, AOE was my very first PC game, but i found total war to be much better when i look at it objectively because of how i had to manage an entire empire, but i could also go in and command my own forces during battle if i wanted to.

what about a storyline for the game? just because it's non-canon doesn't mean we can't give it a single-player campaign to go on centered around the actions of a single man who came from vague backgrounds to change the land forever. (sound familiar?) idk how this would play out realistically, but here's my idea. have a system where the factions don't attack you at first, but you travel to your preferred faction, and help them by joining their armies during attacks or launching raids of your own against their enemies. Based on these attacks and pre-defined alliances based on the storyline of the campaign, the teams would be created. Then, for following battles, the factions "remember" your choices similar to the system in mass effect and thus the game continues.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:50 am

Wow the more this is discussed the more I like the idea. This has potential.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:41 am

Not the same way as Civilization.

I've personally never played a Civ game before, is it like a turn-based version of Rise of Nations?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:41 am

I've personally never played a Civ game before, is it like a turn-based version of Rise of Nations?

I've never played Rise of Nations before.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:49 am

I think it should play like command and conquer. But with its own kind of twist.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:22 am

I don't really care if a different studio do a RTS spinoff as long as it doesn't affect the RPGs.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:53 am

I think it should play like command and conquer. But with its own kind of twist.

It would be too similar to Tiberium sun.
Well without all the walking tanks of course.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:02 am

It would be too similar to Tiberium sun.
Well without all the walking tanks of course.

Not if you gave it its own kind of twist. Do something to set it apart from Command and conquer.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:52 pm

Not if you gave it its own kind of twist. Do something to set it apart from Command and conquer.

The thing is though that as, RTS' go, Command and Conquer are pretty simple ones. They are fun, but I'd prefer something a bit more complex similar to Rise of Nations.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:32 am

The thing is though that, RTS' go, Command and Conquer are pretty simple ones. They are fun, but I'd prefer something a bit more complex similar to Rise of Nations.

Or empire earth.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:02 am

Empire earth with a mix of command and conquer and total war.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:50 am

Is this in the right place?

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:29 am

As much as I love Civilization. It doesn't work with Fallout. No, let me re-iterate that. It would the worst Fallout game to exist, even F:PoS would be better in comparison.
1. We don't know ANYTHING about civilian life. Almost everything we know is war-related.
2. Even if you did know SOMETHING about civilian life, it'd be carbon copy of Civ albeit with less everything.
3. There's not enough factions for it. You would have four factions tops. If you made the Brotherhood chapters their own, the only difference would be a few unique units. And adding new factions would be pretty hard.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:54 am

As much as I love Civilization. It doesn't work with Fallout. No, let me re-iterate that. It would the worst Fallout game to exist, even F:PoS would be better in comparison.
1. We don't know ANYTHING about civilian life. Almost everything we know is war-related.
2. Even if you did know SOMETHING about civilian life, it'd be carbon copy of Civ albeit with less everything.
3. There's not enough factions for it. You would have four factions tops. If you made the Brotherhood chapters their own, the only difference would be a few unique units. And adding new factions would be pretty hard.

Make it more like Total War then. One does not have to know all that much of civilan life for a total war game. Just know what will keep the population happy and keep money coming in and you're set.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:40 am

As much as I love Civilization. It doesn't work with Fallout. No, let me re-iterate that. It would the worst Fallout game to exist, even F:PoS would be better in comparison.
1. We don't know ANYTHING about civilian life. Almost everything we know is war-related.
2. Even if you did know SOMETHING about civilian life, it'd be carbon copy of Civ albeit with less everything.
3. There's not enough factions for it. You would have four factions tops. If you made the Brotherhood chapters their own, the only difference would be a few unique units. And adding new factions would be pretty hard.

I think you're taking the idea too literally. If they just copied eveything from one game and replaced some wlements it won't be too great.

1. And we know a lot about the NCR, civilians included, remember Fallout 2. We know a bit about Caesar's Legion. And we know a good deal about the BoS.
2. And again I think you are taking it too literally.
3. Again it isn't civilization, it would have similarities. The maps would be way smaller. Essentially it would be like Civilization Revolution except different. And Firaxis would have to make it, otherwise it would fail.

» Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:07 pm

i agree that civilization wouldn't work with it, simply because of the way civilization is set up with it's focus on civilians. that's why i say total war, because let's face it, most of fallout has to do with war of some kind and how it shapes human society to come, not necessarily civilian life in and of itself. total war has a much more military perspective which makes it more viable as a format, along with the fact that total war encompasses everything in civ, AOE, COH, etc. also, i'd need a single player campaign, but i think i've already said that so i'll refrain from repeating myself

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:01 am

I think this might be the greatest thing I have read on this forum. But I don't think it has to be completely non-canon. Make it like Total War(one of the greatest series ever) and have some "historical" battles from the NCR-Brotherhood war, or Legion-Whatever war. Maybe some "historical" campaigns like Legion going from small tribe to mighty empire. Add some non-canon campaigns like Master-Everybody war and the Total War custom battles and you have [censored] amazing game.

I've often thought that there should be a Total War game for lots of series(including tv shows, books, etc.) The format is just to perfect for RTS's.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:43 am

I made an idea for the troops that each faction could have. Everyone has 15 units.

Enclave
Enclave Scientist - equipped with a laser pistol, can repair robots and vertibirds
Enclave Medic - equipped with laser pistol can heal soldiers
Enclave Mr. Gutsy - equipped with a plasma pistol hand thing, and a flamer hand
Enclave Sentry Bot - equipped with a Gatling laser arm and a missile launcher arm
Enclave APA Soldier - equipped with a Laser Rifle
Enclave APA Mk II Soldier - equipped with a Plasma Rifle (Plasma Rifle's will be Fallout 3 version)
Enclave Officer - equipped with a Plasma pistol would increase troops capabilities
Enclave Tesla Soldier - equipped with a Plasma Caster
Enclave Hellfire Soldier - equipped with a Heavy Incinerator
Enclave Heavy Support Team (3 soldiers, 2 with Plasma Casters, 1 with Gatling Laser)
Enclave Transport Vertibird - Fallout 2 version, can hold several people, but has small firepower
Enclave Assault Vertibird - Fallout 3 version, holds a few people and can carpet bomb
Enclave Deathclaw
Enclave Master - equipped with Gatling laser (remember the armory master in Broken Steel)
Special Unit: Frank Horrigan - Fastest Special Unit and Second Strongest next to Liberty Prime

Brotherhood of Steel
BoS Medic - equipped with Laser Pistol can heal soldiers
BoS Scribe - equipped with laser rifle, can repair vertibird and sentry bot
BoS Sentry Bot - equipped with Minigun and Missile Launcher
CWBoS Recruit - equipped with R91 Assault Rifle
WBoS Recruit - equipped with AK 112 Assault Rifle
CWBoS Knight - equipped with Laser Rifle
WBoS Knight - equipped with Wattz Laser Rifle
MWBoS Knight - equipped with whatever they are equipped with
CWBoS Paladin - equipped with Minigun
WBoS Paladin - equipped with Gauss Rifle
MWBoS Paladin - equipped with their appropriate thing
BoS Vertibird - some transport and some weapons
BoS Sniper - equipped with Scoped Gauss Rifle
BoS Head Paladin - equipped with Gatling Laser
Special Unit: Liberty Prime slowest special unit, but is the strongest with longest range attacks

New California Republic
NCR Medic - equipped with 9mm pistol, heals other soldiers
NCR MP - equipped with Cattle Prod
NCR Soldier - equipped with Service Rifle
NCR Grenadier - equipped with Grenade Launcher
NCR Sniper - equipped with Hunting Rifle Sniper
Boomer - equipped with Missile Launcher
Securitron Mk I - equipped with 9mm SMG
NCR Ranger - equipped with Trail Carbine
NCR Heavy Trooper -equipped with LMG
Securitron Mk II - equipped with Gatling Laser, Grenade Launcher, and Missile Launcher
Boomer Artillery - Artillery Unit
NCR Colonel - equipped with 10mm pistol, increases troop capabilities
NCR Veteran Ranger - equipped with Anti-Materiel Rifle
NCR Power Armored Unit - equipped with Brush Gun, wears Sierra Scorched Power Armor
Special Unit; B29 Bomber - Has most health, second strongest, slowest, hardest to hit

Caesar's Legion
CL Slave - heals soldiers
CL Mongrel
CL Frumentarii - equipped with silenced 10mm pistol
CL Recruit - Equipped with Machete
Great Khan Recruit - Equipped with Hunting Revolver
CL Prime Legionnaire - equipped with Hunting Shotgun
CL Veteran Legionnaire - equipped with Hunting Rifle
CL Vexilarius - equipped with 9mm SMG, boosts troops power
CL Explorer - Equipped with Sniper Rifle
CL Decanus - equipped with 12.7mm SMG
White Leg Shooter guy - equipped with Assault Carbine
Great Khan - equipped with Brush Gun
CL Assassin - equipped with Machete/Sawed Off Shotgun/Sniper Rifle
CL Praetorian - equipped with Ballistic Fist
Special Unit: Legate Lanius - well rounded special unit

I will do nasty things to anybody who makes this, I want it so bad.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:19 am

I will do nasty things to anybody who makes this, I want it so bad.

I don't know what to think of that...

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:56 am

I think you're taking the idea too literally. If they just copied eveything from one game and replaced some wlements it won't be too great.

1. And we know a lot about the NCR, civilians included, remember Fallout 2. We know a bit about Caesar's Legion. And we know a good deal about the BoS.
2. And again I think you are taking it too literally.
3. Again it isn't civilization, it would have similarities. The maps would be way smaller. Essentially it would be like Civilization Revolution except different. And Firaxis would have to make it, otherwise it would fail.

It seems your overall answer is "You're taking it too literally!" No real argument there. And then you say it has to be done by Fireaxis? So basically, it won't be done EXACTLY like Civilization, but it's going to be made by the guys who MAKE civilization?
1. We know nearly nothing about NCR civilians, a deal about BoS and NOTHING about CL civilian life.\.