The "That's cool" crowd should be everybody... it's natural to want 'cool' things in a video game. There should be no specified 'crowd' for thinking something is cool. What are you even talking about?

I really don't know what you are complaining about.

I think the graphics look awesome, and I don't see much what reminds me of a cartoon.

A dog as a companion has always been an option, what would you show in the presentation?

Someone like Raul Tejada? I like the guy, but showing a 200 year old ugly Mexican who apparently has nothing better to do than following the courier around and doing maintenance for him could really backfire.

(Stereotypes! Racism! Whatever!) No such risk with a dog.

Drag and drop? I don't even know whats supposed to be bad about that. Its just a different system that allows you to make yourself as ugly or beautiful as your skills allow (or don't allow) you to.

Having 8 sliders or 10 options in 5 categories surely wasn't the ultimate way to do this either.

I'm disappointed with this thread.

Comedy whining along the lines of 'Bethesda sold out by trying to make the game too popular'

should have more laughs rather than dry entitled grumbling.

Never mind, nothing is going to dent my enthusiasm,

the game looks super, and the E3 showcase was marketing genius.

The only thing I didn't quite like was the dog, only because now I'm going to look at him as the "Call of Duty Dog". Now, if Bethesda said one day: "You know what this game needs? Killstreaks." Then, ya, I wouldn't like it either. But that's the thing. They improved on the FPS elements that were already present in F3, they improved the RPG-esque elements already present in F3, and they improved the graphics by a marginal amount. Although I personally want there to be skills, repair, etc. that were present in F3 but possibly not this game, it's not a huge deal to me.

Whilst it won't be my choice, I suspect you can still shoot the dog if you really want to...

But it won't die.

Oop I stumbled into the Elder Scrolls section

Well you get big, you get less original. Morrowind was way out there. But now.. I guess if I had worked on that and was still working at gamesas today, I'd be considering a carreer with a younger company.

I've heard this from fhe Daggerfall crowd when Morrowind first came out.

"My desires are objectively superior primarily because they're miiiiiine."

It's funny, because I'm of the mind that Skyrim is a huge return to form of what made Morrowind so great, particularly the complex politics and world-building that Oblivion lacked. Skyrim's only "fault" compared to Morrowind was that it was viking fantasy instead of sci-fi giant bug fantasy. Of course, the thing about Morrowind was that there was nothing else like it when it came out; the world was weird, you could go anywhere in it, read every book, pick up every clutter item, the NPCs have the same stats and capabilities as the player character, etc. Even if Bethesda did another game with as weir a setting as Morrowind (like Black Marsh or Valenwood), they couldn't capture that feeling again.

You have no clue.

F4 looks to be the best game ever made.

Funny that you think fable inspired dogmeat. Again no clue

Damn, they made things easier to use and introduced new well-polished mechanics. They also added a dog, just like every other Fallout game. And they changed the art style a bit as well as developed two completely optional phone apps.

FILTHY [censored] CASUALS

As a non casual gamer id like to dissassociate the op from the rest of us who take these things a little too seriously.

But seriously let's not go too far the other way, the chances of a bug free launch and it being "the best game ever" are limited. Don't give these guys an easy I told u so.

It's going to be great, once patched like all modern games (sadly)

Add another zero to that estimate for me.

"Theres a dog in the game u obvs copied 2 get moar buyz"

Oh my lord. The uproar when a diehard fan realises what he enjoys is becoming mainstream.

Actaully, a boy and his dog was referenced in the first one. After that, dogmeat stuck around.. Not as a reference to that, but for the fact having a pet companion out in the wastes was pretty cool.

I mean, dogmeat was in ALOT of the fallout 3 promo stuff and thats why fallout 4 does it literally the same (different setting, graphics, vault number..) basically, a big FALLOUT logo, the lone wanderer/sole survivour holding a rifle, dogmeat.
They made it similar for the promos to remind old fans that the game is still.. Fallout, even if its changed.

Dogmeat got to the point where hes iconic - you dont even need the fallout logo there to recognise its fallout promo stuff. Whereas if it was just some guy in a blue jumpsuit.. Lil' less memorable.

People enjoyed dogmeat in 3 and since next gen has ALOT more capacity theyve upgraded his system. Theres literally no need to complain. I would imagine its entirely optional, though.. If you dont want to order a dog to rip out that raiders throat in a post apocolyptic wasteground then shame on you. But you dont have to.

I know the dog is invulnerable once a companion.

Whether it is invulnerable to your Plasma Rifle before hand is another matter

"ITS POPULAR NOW IT SUKS!!!!"

Seriously? they made a phone app because they wanted to.

Dogs make great companions, like thats a thing they do in real life. In fact implying that fable was the first game with a dog companion is silly when all the fallout games have had a dog to wander around with you, its just now hopefully the dog is useful and not suicidal in its stupidity. Plus completely optional amigo.

And are you really mad about intuitive character creation? Would sliders have made it better?

Also base building is a super popular idea, check out the wasteland defense mod for fallout new vegas, its pretty damn awesome (I actually recommend alchestbreach's videos on it, that guys a goofy bastard)

The cinematic dialogue is a thing that lots of folks don't like, but personally i think its a massive step ahead over frozen stills of people with text reply.

Trendy? geezus trendy has to be the most awkward thing i've heard someone say, why not use popular instead?

Closed for flying personal insults and flaming throughout the thread.