Might be the silliest complaint I've ever read.

The 5 minutes you spend meeting your "family" ruins a gay fantasy? K. Write it into your RP if you need it there. Most of my gay friends also have a heterosixual past.

So sick of the "I'm offended" fist pounding BS.

I'm an upper income white male. I'm the devil, but I also have no support groups.

The advice I've always heard from writers: "If you want to read about something, but it doesn't exist... then you must write it."

In short, if you want a story where a gay couple find themselves surviving a nuclear war and their struggle to cope and endure in the new world they're in and such a story doesn't exist...then you must write one yourself. This is Bethesda's story, and just because it doesn't cater to everyone doesn't mean it's a slam against them. I said it once and I'll say it again: I'm disabled, yet I manage to cope with not playing a disabled Sole Survivor. I don't see this as a slam against the disabled community at all because *gasp* there are no disabled people in the game.

If you want to read a story that doesn't exist yet, then write one. If you wait for someone else to write that story, then you'll be waiting a very long time. Possibly the rest of your life.

Well I don't want to be gay, so I don't care.........

You can choose to roleplay as a closeted gay.

I would not have jumped into a forum to [censored] about an npc making a pass at me. No more than I would be offended if a gay man hit on me.

I think that is what gets me about stuff like this. People are so desperate for something to stand on a soapbox about.

Other than that I'll give you the rest of the points since I haven't gotten to those romance points with npcs because I.....must....build....settlements!!!!

I think Codsworth is hitting on me actually...Randy little robot.

I wouldn't.

(I'm not sure where the boundary is for "upper income" though. In global average terms, I'm doing OK)

Right, the way they executed it was horrible and considering their past record of letting us define our own characters for ourselves, this was abysmal. What if I don't want to play someone who is married to a spouse of the opposite six and has a child? Fallout 4 doesn't allow this freedom for me, or for anyone really. The core plot: "Find the missing kid". You could come up with hundreds of plotlines revolving around that. I simply was saying that any creator worth his/her salt know that trying to appease every single group won't get them anywhere close to completing their work. It may still be utter trite, a chore to read/play through, but they have that freedom; they have that final say.

You're not the only one Bethesda apparently chose to ignore. I'm disabled, yet I don't have a problem with Bethesda's games not acknowledging that disabled people exist. Or does that not count because I'm not gay?

don't worry, glad you took the hint

How many of these threads do we really need? Plus it always seems as though the OP crawls off into the woodwork, never to be heard from again after said thread is posted.

Just wanted to post to say...your character in game is not you. Walk a mile in another man's/woman's shoes.

I'm just gonna quote Souljacker's post here. It sure opened my eyes. (btw, sorry for my comment earlier, I guess I wasn't really understanding what you were trying to say.)


We're basically Todd Howard's character. A loving husband/wife searching for the son he/she lost. This is who we are in Fallout 4 no matter what we do in the game. No matter our six, our race, what we look like, our name, our skills. We are, at the core, the husband/wife avenging a murdered spouse while searching for their boy.

Why bring Todd Howard into this at all? Emil is lead writer on this project.

Then we're playing Emil's character: the loving mother/father out to avenge a murdered spouse while searching for the son she/he lost.

Not everyone wants to roleplay as that character, but the game's core mechanics, the game's core plot forces us to be that character whether we want to or not. Fallout 3 toed the line with you being a nineteen-year-old kid from Vault 101 and the child of a doctor. This makes Fallout 3 look like our character was some random shmuck who woke up in the middle of the Wasteland naked and bleeding with nary a hint of backstory.

Then you are Emil's character. Point is, the writer decided the background of the character. You get to decide how the character goes forward and the character is not you.

It's about playing a role that is unlike you.

Exactly. Whether we like it or not, our character is fixed. The worst we can get is a rude, arrogant jerk who is mean to everyone yet loved his/her spouse and son enough to go through hell to avenge.

I actually was being facetious. I love the Witcher 3 - I love the whole series and the books.

I was just pointing out how foolish this thread is.

Go visit the Brotherhood of Steel. I won't say more than that, but you are definitely wrong with this statement.

first world problems times 10 to the 5th.

in the fallout realm you can murder children for no reason, be a drug deal selling a drug worse than heroin, sleep with endless prosttutes, steal from everyone and kill just about everyone you come in contact with, but hey the real moral issue is that the main character isn't married to a same six partner, looking for his adopted vietnamese daughter...wow

I literally laughed out loud... Does remind me of a certain site I found... Lefthandedness is the devils work... "I'm so glad my husband held me down and forced me to use right hand"... "Kids should have their left hands tied to the school table" ... and so on and so on... Thankfully people around me doesn't give a damn about whether I use left or right hand (I use left for writing and finemotory things and the right for things needing strength).

How do you mean so? Like in eg. half life, if gordon freeman were straight or gay? Then you're not forced to be one or the either. You are playing gordon freeman, not yourself and gordon is whatever he is.

Or did you mean blank slate rpg's with such limitations?

to be fair it's probably because going on a killing spree and selling drugs to children seem far more distant to most people than having six with your own gender

....if people are so offended by everything then maybe they should, you know, not play games and stay off the internet until they cool down

it really boggles me how people get so upset about things that really doesn't matter

I have no idea what version of the game you're playing where every random NPC keeps yammering about this. I personally have gone through three romances (Piper, Cait, and Curie) so far, and haven't heard anywhere NEAR this level of nagging - in fact, I don't think I've heard it at all, despite never taking off the wedding ring even once. Most NPCs haven't mentioned anything like this unless they're talking about the kidnapped baby you're asking about on a main quest mission.

Also, I see the trend of presenting opinions as empirical - nay, statistical even - facts continues.

But that's impossible! RPGs are absolutely worthless as RPGs if they do not, without exception, permit me to be Me With Superpowers! Therefore, Deus Ex is a terrible RPG because I'm forced to be JC Denton. System Shock is a terrible RPG, because I have to be a hacker and can't choose to be a door-to-door salesman in my backstory. This is absolute, incontrovertible fact because I posted about it on the internet.

Well, this is a Fallout game, not a Square Enix game, as I've actually said before. This is a franchise that was exactly that - YOU with superpowers, not a named protagonist with a story.

It's shocking that you don't understand the difference.

how dare you

-So that's one guy. Hardly "every romance ever". Which guy? Spoiler tag it for me.

-Starter city? What? Is this Mama Murphy at Sanctuary? If that's the case, she's a drug-fueled psyker whose narrative purpose is to provide a certain side option for the main quest. Just. That's the point of her being there. If it's Diamond City or wherever, I have no idea what you're talking about.

-Of course the main story is about how you want your child back, because it is literally entirely about retrieving your child from the scary infiltrator robot people. As I recall it, there's far more MY BABY IS GONE than MY HUSBAND IS DEAD in those dialogues, certainly not every time.

-So the Vault Dweller has no canon personality or backstory? The Chosen One, his grandchild, doesn't, either? The Lone Wanderer isn't a vault dweller chasing after their disappeared father? I have precisely zero idea what Fallout games you've been playing, but are you quite sure they weren't total conversion mods?

If there's anything shocking here, it's that this whole thing is so thoroughly cherrypicked.