If you mean make it into a turn-based RPG... than yes it is to much to ask, Fallout 3 was EXTREMELY porfitable for Bethesda and ZeniMax... They're not going to make it as it used to be just because fans of the old games want the same experience... And alot of the fans of the originals do [censored] about Fallout 3 alot more than necessary. We get it, it's an RPG FPS, you don't like how different the story is. But it is canon so you guys are going to have to just deal with it.

While I would like them to be Isometric TB it's not the major complaint most of us have.
It's that FO3 was dumbed down, black and white choices, poor writing, non-realistic enviroment/towns/cultures, bended lore, ripped off the old games with certain aspects et cetera.

Oh and the green tint, gotta hate the green tint. >.<

As the title of this thread states it was a trial run... expect ALOT more from F4...hopefully it comes out within the next 2 years!

Hmm, I may have dreamt it, I suppose, since everything I'm finding says Bethesda approached Obsidian!

The first post on this page was the only good thing i heard about fallout 3 from you and now you started being negative again. I dont under stand why everyone saw Brotherhood as knights in shinning armor. The only "shinning" about them was Lyons, Sarah Lyons, GNR Propoganda. THey treayed you little better when Outcasts. Well more when little but still before you became their trusted face. The side quests werent white and black. They did gave out good and bad karma but the choices werent white and black really.

On-Topic: Whatever anyone will say. I will always think of Fallout 3 as a test. Yeah of course it was a standalone game which was very popular and i liked it alot but Bethesda never made a fallout game before Fallout 3. This is why ofcourse even of not intended maybe it was a test to see fan reaction. Maybe they brough brotherhood and Enclave not to create a different universe. Like the same fallout but on the other coast. The certanily now know how to continue the series. Modification made by New Vegas, explorationa and ideas made by bethesda will make F4 greater.

That is (somewhat) the point I'm trying to make!

Bethesda is ready to make an incredible game now!

I'm a very pessimistic person. :biggrin:

It would be nice if FO3 was, in fact, just a test and Beth would be able to stray from their common formulas, and create two separate series' instead of having 2 franchises with exactly alike core and gameplay. I doubt it, though, but it would be nice.

Do you mean Fallout and TES or Fallout on the east Coast and Fallout on the West Coast?

Quit being biased and negative. It's objectively obvious that Fallout 3 has far more in common with the original Fallouts than with Oblivion. :rolleyes:

I think he meant Fallout and TES.


Really?
Dumbed down RPG mechanics, check.
Sandbox world, check.
Dungeon crawling, check.
Minigames, check.
Button layout, check.
Graphics, check.
AI, check.
Looting function, check.
Dialogue window, half-way check.

The things it has in common with the old games are overwhelmed by the things it has common with Oblivion IMO.

Fallout and TES.



I may have failed a sarcasm check here, but I..... nevermind though.

I was being sarcastic. :wink_smile:

Sarcasm is a virtue lost on forums.
Sorry. :icecream:

No problem It's understandable. :foodndrink: I'm sure there are quite a few people on these forums who would completely agree with that statement since Fallout 3 isn't set in Tamriel.

I'm just a little tired of hearing this argument that Fallout 3 only gets criticism because we're all lost in nostalgia and would despise any game that wasn't made in the Fallout 1/2 engine. Fallout 3, whatever you may think of it as a game drew very little from the previous Fallout games that came before it. In terms of design and gameplay it couldn't be more divorced from the series roots.That's why it gets criticized here and at places like NMA and DaC and frankly it deserves that criticism.

But it's still a good game... Although it's not directly connected to the ones before it...

Of course a series would have to evolve, otherwise it will just get incredibly repetitive.
But Fallout 3 honestly felt like it devolved.
All great previous mechanics were dumbed down.
It's a great game on it's merits.
Hell, it's an awesome game on it's own merits.
But as a sequel to a cult classic?
Nope. And I guess that's where the elitism in me kicks in.
After a decade of waiting for a sequel and reading the Van Buren design documents over and over... Bethesda brings us... That thing...
It's hard to be kind towards it when one's expectations were so high and what came out was... On the far side of the moon of what one was expecting.
But honestly it was Bethesda's first go at it, can't blame them too much if they wanted to play it safe and tried the best they could to create a Fallout game.
So FO3 kinda gets a pass from me (will still criticize it), but Fallout 4 will have no excuses, by then they should know what Fallout is and create it as such.

I don't want the turn based combat back, as much as I love it.

I just want Fallout to return to its roots, in terms of RPG mechanics, lore etc.

Agree

I really hope Bethesda has learned some valuable lessons from FNV.

I agree with gabriel77dan's post http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1154692-fallout-3-was-just-a-test/page__view__findpost__p__16904483

FO3 feels like a test to me. I am not saying its not canon or anything like that but it is missing alot of what made the originals great. No, damage threshold, no reputation system, no multiple endings and characters become gods so fast, settlements were just there with no reason I could go on.

All I am hoping for is for FO4 be alot like FO New Vegas and therefore more like the Originals. I am also hoping Beth will work with Obsidian for FO4 at least for the story.

Maybe not really work with but hire few people from Obsidian(J.Sawyer, Chris Avellone) for help and advice to create a deeper story but not really the whole companies workinng together.

Like outside contractors? (Can one do that in the game industry or is it more likely to have a joint project?)

I dunno i am just guessing. Because it will take more money to work together when to hire few people.

But would Obsidian let their devs work for another company when they should be working on Obsidians games?