Yeah, and I bet more people are playing CoD right now than both FO4 and TW3 combined, so CoD is better than both, right?

Haven't played Witcher 3 at all. I think I bought 2 and fired it up. It was painful. I didn't play it. I never went to their boards and trolled you fans of the series, why? Because I've got better things do do maybe?

Mainly I was addressing her comments on "FO4 lacking RPG;" can't say whether I agree or disagree on her assessment of TW3 as I don't know and just don't care. The Witcher could get burned at the stake and I wouldn't care a bit. Doesn't mean it isn't a good game. If you enjoy it, hey good for you! Have a happy. Based on my one little tiny taste of it, I'd sooner eat tacks than have to play that game . . . granted maybe 3 was better than 2, but nah. Not worth my effort. Too many old classics still I have yet to play fully.

Jagged Alliance 2, a game I love (with the v1.13 mod) . . . just speculating but, a 'typical' Witcher fan like yourself might find that game as painful as eating tacks. The graphics are ancient, the characters are totally 1980s kitsch, and the game is a turn-based anolytical and organizational extravaganza, no twitch involved at all. Not a biggie. Just because I think it is brilliant I don't have any sense that everyone needs to feel that way. If i want to extol its virtues I can always go over the Bear's Pit or even log on to their irc and hang with them. If I wanted to rant about how terrible it or any other game is there are probably boards devoted specifically to that purpose We all have different tastes.

Well that's a different genre. Might help to specify if we are looking at all games, including facebook games then.

Okay. That's something we disagree on. I'm cool with that.


All they do is talk for pay. They don't create anything other than psychological pressure. They're not making art, except in the sense that manipulating peoples behaviour for personal gain can be considered an art form. I don't think that entitles them to any credit for doing anything other than talking. With the advent of DVR, youtube, and ubiquitous broadband, we could dispense with video game commentary and reviewers entirely, since you could learn everything you need to know about a game before you buy it by watching raw HD gameplay, but they're so firmly clenched onto the artistic and commercial teat of developers that it'll never happen. The only redeeming factor of the gaming press, in my opinion, is that the hype train helps commercially inefficient but artistically interesting game developers stay in business in a market that relies on the fickle behaviour of customers who need to be told loudly and often what to be happy about buying. I know my opinions and perspective put me in a minority. I'm cool with that too.

Oh so genre comes into the mix now? Might aswell twist it any way you like it till you get the results you want.

Just stop already, sales can be a factor of quality as can be popularity, but they are not definitive in any way.

So you basically avoided the points I made, because you realize you were in the wrong and decided instead to throw a passive aggressive insult at me calling me a witcher really devoted fan that only cares about graphics. Pathetic.

I'm not trolling anyone, I've bought FO4, I've played alot of FO4 and will keep on playing just as I have with every other TES and FO title, but apparently anyone who dares to speak ill of it or actually believe another game is better is automatically a troll.

Just so you know, my all-time favorite and most played game is NWN. But yeah, keep on labeling people you know nothing about.

Ah one of these threads or as I call them vomit vomit vomit. Fallout 4 isn't getting GOTY this year because "it's a bad game, it's mediocre, it's garbage" or any of that nonsense, that's ignoring hits like The Witcher 3, Metal Gear Solid 5, Undertale and numerous other popular games. You know why it isn't getting GOTY? BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS OLD. Next year? Sure it might win some awards because games released in november and december shouldn't be eligible for GOTYs.

Oh also there is the whole thing where GOTY is a huge pointless crap show that popular magazines put out in order to get swag from the company or sometimes even money, it literally means nothing anymore because it's entirely pointless and means as much as that other crap show the VGAs which is a whole other level of sad and bad. GOTY only matters when it's a personal opinion, for me Undertale and Fallout 4 are my Game of the Year and I don't really care if anyone says otherwise, it's like whining about bad or good reviews, no one should care because it's solely an opinion to convince people why they should get a game or not.

It's you who is twisting things, however we can say according to your rules that CoD is "better than" Witcher 3. Happy now?

You brought up active players on steam as a measure of which is better, not me. So how is that my rules exactly?

Because you wanted to mix genres. And you brought Steam up as a measure of significant numbers of people to draw opinion from. This is all on you.

Speak for yourself.

Skyrim came out on 11.11.11 but still won GOTY.

No, I brought up steam reviews as a sample to demonstrate the fact that more people were disappointed with FO4 than with TW3. Simple as that.

You used that as a statistic, citing it as a reasonable source for garnering population views. So I cited the current numbers playing in Steam as a reasonable source for population views, and Fallout 4 has almost 80k vs Witcher 3 11k

Of the 45,709 reviews on Fallout 4's steam page only 8,630 are negative with 37,079 being positive. On Witcher 3, of the 26,710 only 1,331 are negative with 25, 379 being positive. By your own logic since Fallout 4 has more positive reviews that it's the better game.

Except the current numbers argument holds no water, I never said FO4 wasn't more popular or didn't sell more. I said more people were disappointed with it compared to TW3, is that so hard to grasp?

Riiiiight.... I mean... I really hope you're trolling, for your own sake. Really...

Er... that's 19% negative for FO4 and 5% negative for W3.

Ok then, lets compare your first interactions with a group in New Vegas and Fallout 4.

In NV, a town is under threat from prison gangers. You can choose to side with the prison gangers, side with the town (and get them to pitch in using skill checks and challenges), ignore everyone, or kill the lot.

In F4, Prestons group is under threat from raiders. You can choose to either side with Preston or walk away. Thats it.

Thats just 1 example of why NV has better RPG elements than Fallout 4. You can go all throughout both game pitching one game againts the other, and in terms of RPG mechanics, New Vegas wins out every time. I'm not even a fan of Obsidian, its F3 all the way for me, mainly due to the atmosphere and setting. But even I recognize New Vegas' strengths.

Fallout 4 has great combat, the best in any Bethesda game to date, and running around shooting things up is endless fun. But as an RPG, its lacking, and its the worst RPG Bethesda has made. It has literally zero replayability due to the compromises Bethesda has made. Which is fine, you're STILL getting a lot of bang per buck. But lets not try to pretend Fallout 4 is something it isn't.

Not sure why this thread is still going when we know for a fact that Fallout 4 has won more GOTY than any game this year with the exception of Witcher 3...

http://gotypicks.blogspot.ca/

But we don't measure GOTY in terms of least disappointment, we're supposed to talk about its value to gamers (eg are they still enjoying it...79k FO4 fans say YES!). Unless we are giving an award and calling it GOLD (Game Of Least Disappointment). Maybe that should be a thing!

You could start it, go chat up the 11k Witcher 3 fans.

Nope, you can go see for yourself.

Fallout 4
http://store.steampowered.com/app/377160/

Witcher 3
http://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/

You claim that because Fallout 4 had more negative reviews that means something but you ignore that Fallout 4 still has 11,700 more positive reviews then the witcher 3 and that's the total it comes up with from looking at the positive reviews from both games.


Percentages don't really mean much.

W3 beats FO4 at every aggregate site I look at. FO4 is Bethesda's lowest rated game and first time they lost against the same genre in GOTY's or Score in a gen/year to date.

On top of all that cool stat stuff, I personally found it their worst entry as well (before looking at reviews), as do many others (check out any poll outside of Fallout forums).

I hope for TES6 they listen to feedback.

We also don't mention GOTY in terms of sales. Too bad eh?

http://gotypicks.blogspot.com

Score's 124 to 29. Ouch.

Percentages don't really mean much. I see. You can stop posting now, might allow you to retain a modicum of dignity.

I cba trawling through that rubbish. Give me a TL;DR: version.

Also, you seem angry and personally invested in this.

As I said in the last "FO4 didn't win GOTY - Bethesda needs to learn from this crushing defeat!" thread.....

...when a movie wins the Best Picture Oscar, do the other films' crews & studios declare their failure, and have to re-evaluate their lives/films/etc? No?

Then why should Bethesda? Not winning "absolute best game" doesn't mean your game is a failure, nor does it mean that it's not good. And if people are going into projects (whether movies, or games, or novels, etc) assuming that they'll win The Top Prize with their work? Then they're arrogant & delusional - there's too many uncontrollable factors to guarantee that your work will automatically be The Best.

Personally, I don't really care about awards (just like I don't care about ratings). I care about whether I enjoyed a game or not.

edit: there's also the implied arrogance of the people posting "Bethesda needs to learn from this (if only they'd catered to my specific desires, they would have won!)"

That's because FO4 has more reviews in general, due to it having more sales. You should be using an average.

Check out this average,

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt/user-reviews

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-4/user-reviews