Does that matter? As you said, it may have just been hit with fallout, and the game is called Fallout after all. Toronto could have been devestated by riots, civil war, time, weather and neglect for what I care, everything doesn't have to be nuked. It would be as interesting as the developers decide it to be.

You should sign me up..

I can ensure no screw up's would ever happen.

Because the poll is missing ???, poll is racist.
EDIT: All the nations in the world were hit by nuclear strikes, Canada was annexed by the U.S. and was hit by China/Middle East.

hear me out for a second. the dev's would no doubt make it fun, but in terms of realism, there isn't wildlife in this area of Ontario that would be worth fighting(mutated deer?moose, maybe, but their waaaay up north). there isn't any wolves or bear down here, and that's probably what they would use.

also in terms of weaponry, we mostly specialize in LAV's(light-armored-vehicles) but their disassembled and parts kept province wide, same with weapons, but we don't even have the full assembly in the province. all the weapons found(realistically) would be old black market pieces(if they were still around) and/or military pieces from any uprisings and riots and such, but there was a war going on. most of our troops(being US troops after the annexation{is that a word?}) would be on the frontlines or waiting at their stations, most likely nowhere near ontario.

don't get me wrong, I would love to see it, it would most likely be a refreshing new story with no BoS or enclave, maybe a few old factions and obviously some new ones. but it just wouldn be right...

Well, it's a different timeline, there could be lots of guns. Think of all the canadian freedom fighters that the US military had to deal with, along with all the riots already before the war, like the food riots, and then also the New Plague (did it hit Canada?) Then add 200+ years of anarchy and less humans now then there were before, and that we stopped intervening with nature, and the climate change from all the bombing, animals could just have migrated, multiplied, mutated, adapted...

I hope they don't have Toronto as a place forever in ice. I don't like Toronto but it does not deserve to be forever in ice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYDdZVI43WU&feature=related. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez9t8SlXZz4.

A cold tundra wasteland would be great, and it would be like creating a whole new world being that far separated from the east and west coast. People there may not have even heard on of the NCR or BoS are even the Enclave. Think it would be cool.

well, that's true. I didn't think of that. I was just thinking that it wouldn't seem right, i figured canada would just be a desolate place with no vaults or anything.

and Styles is right, everyone thinks it's always winter up here, even if I did get hit with 3 feet of snow back in December, it's not the norm. there's a pain in the ass thing called "the lake effect" over by the great lakes, which basically throws massive rain or snow fall whichever direction the wind is going.

Yeah, well, I'm from Sweden so I am used to "you guys got a lot of snow?" and "you guys have polar bears?" I live around 60 degrees north, so it's pretty much on par with Canada, like Quebec or something.

If the first country that Fallout goes into besideds USA and all they devs do is stereotype the hell out of it, would svck. I am still talking about Canada. A few jokes here and there is ok but having the entire area locked in ice all year round. Only the very far north is in ice most of the year. After a nuclear war weather could change (nuclear winter) but even then only the area around hudsons bay would be ice all year.

agreed, it would just ruin it for me. I think maybe BC (british columbia)would be cool, with the mountain-like geography, and although it's not winter year-round, with the climate change after nuclear war and it being so close to the coast(I can't remember exactly how it works, but basically clouds heavy with rain coming in from the Pacific hit the mountains and are forced up, making it rain/snow mostly on the Rockies before it get to the prairies) maybe it could be snowy year-round...

a lot more threatening wild-life, too.



ha, that reminds me of one time I was talking to some guy who lived in Florida online, and he was like "in the winter, do you guys live in igloos?" :facepalm:

Of course they should not stereotype the hell out of Canada. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbAJivTHPoQ&feature=channel)
Would be fun with a few jokes here and there, some that maybe only canadias will get.
But really, how did Canada look like in the 50's? Furthermore, how would Canada look like in an alternate timeline of SCIENCE!?? Even furthermore, how would Canada look like if annexed by the USA during a war with China involving nukes? I guess it could be quite different.

And I would not like it to be snow like 24/7/12/365, though I think it could snow some since we haven't really seen it yet in this world, except for a ski resort and a pre-war simulation of Anchorage, Alaska... And I'd like to see a canadian flag, it's pretty. Maybe still used by post-war canadian freedom fighters, I could imagine that USA would replace it with their flag upon annexation.

During the 1950s Canada was alot like America. We supported America in the formation of NATO and NORAD. We had two prime ministers during the 1950s Louis St. Laurent and John Diefenbaker. Louis wanted Canada to maintain a large part of are army after WW2. John was going to expect nuclear missles from America but he backed down in 1961 after the Cuban missle crisis. Which made America mad. I guess you can say that was the bigging of the split between American and Canadian relations. If I remember right John still had to take the missles Canada was going to get from America but insted of nuclear weapons they were filled with sand bags :sadvaultboy:


Since the timeline split before 1960s Canada would have taken those nukes.

Its something that bugs be about the fallout world. I don't get way Canada was not right there helping America against China. Lore says Canada was agaisnt helping, letting them use are airspace. Could be because we were like every other nation in the world looking out for are own intrests. Forcing America to annexe us.

Yeah, wasn't it something like America had no allies anymore in the Fallout world? Europe were on their own, greedy for fossil fuels while USA had switched to nuclear. Russia and China (and probably other asian nations aswell), together a large chunk of Eurasia, were communists which America were very much against. Canada and Mexico maybe didn't want to get involved with America's wars, nor did South America and Australia.

But what did USA gain from annexing Canada? Why didn't they annex Mexico aswell, they didn't have anything of value? Did Canada?

From what I can remember America gained what the natural resources of Cananda. Trees and are minerals. Canada must have still had some uranium. Biggest reason why America annexed Canada was control of our airspace and roads which Canada did not let America use. Canada did not want to help America protect the Alaska pipline which runs through canada along the Alaskan highway. Canada is also a great place for placing missles. Any nuclear attack on America would likely come from over the north pole. From USSR and China.

Everyone knows Canadians live in giant maple syrup jars and have pet beavers.

@Savage, I'd assume in secret they had some major control of Mexico, seeing as Petro Chico was a friend of Poseidon Energy, which was nothing but an Enclave front.

Umm in order to occupy a nation you need to have a military force occupying cities, mines, oil sands and the such. I have no doubt that there would be weapons in Canada since American soldiers in Power Armor are excecuting a Canadian in FO1 opening movie. Canadians are fighting a war against the aggressors, I expect Chinese and other American enemies are supplying Canadian to help derail the occuation, the piplines, suppplies, reinforcements to Alaska, adn even send attacks into America. I have no doubt there are weapons tons of weapons in Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sekLEG8xsOs

I am sure Canada would have alot of weapons. America would have given them to us right up to the point the world started going to hell and Canada no longer wanted to be friends with America. Many of those anti-gun laws in Canada would not have happened in the Fallout timeline. Canada did not ban Full Auto Weapons till sometime in the 1970s I think. Hand guns have been banned for close to a 100 years you need a special licence to own them. Along with other rules such as being a member of a legal gun club because you can't fire them anywhere but at a club. Per capita Canada has just as many guns as America but ours are mostly hunting rifles and shotguns. We can own semi-auto weapons

Thanks to the timeline split I can see many Canadians owning full-auto weapons in the Fallout world. America would have built bases in that year they took us over. Its also possible they were taking over years before the offical annexation.

the military weapons would number in the few, as they would only be attainable from outfitted soldiers, who would mostly be on the frontlines at the coasts or overseas. keeping large stockpiles of weapons disassembled is standard military practice so in case of riots in cities where these were stored civilians wouldn't have access to working military-grade weaponry.

yes, there would be soldiers stationed all across Canada in order to "keep the peace", but Canada is pretty big. I'm pretty sure were the second largest country, although most of our population is located along the border.

if the US was trying to hold an entire country the size of ours while at war with multiple other nations, there would be a huge displacement of troops, kind of like what happened to the old roman empire. the populace would easily overwhelm the military force, but with legal firearms, which probably wouldn't be as exciting (like Styles said, a lot of hunting shotguns/rifles, revolvers and semi-auto pistols).

very few people in canada actually own a firearm(legally, black market is completely different. that crap wouldn't last 200 years), haven't you guys seen "bowling for columbine"? the US has always been known as a country whose population invests heavily in firearms. I just don't think that because the US decided to put all their money into nuclear technology and military expansion Canada would be more violent and do the same.

all I was trying to say is it wouldn't be very realistic, and TBH, I just don't think Fallout will ever leave the US...they went all the way north to Alaska, but no Canada or even Mexico? c'mon.....

I have to disagree with you on that part. I own guns (legally) and I know alot of others that do. I go to gun clubs and its always full. There is a big anti-gun thing in Toronto and other large cities but thats political and we can't get into that. Short is they are against hand guns mostly but they are already illegal and have been for decades.

Timeline split happened before Canada banned Full-Auto weapons. If I could buy them I would. America and Canada were best of friends in the 1950s and I am sure it stayed that way in Fallout till around 2050 something. Which means alot of American weapons would be legally sold to Canada's army and people. Canada also made alot of weaposn for America as well as ammo, tank parts for years during the cold war.

Things like PA I doubt the Americans would give us but other military weapons yes.

I know there not uncommon, but what I'm trying to say is in comparison to the US, we don't get as into it. I bet you own mostly hunting weapons, right? my grandfather has a closet-full, but I just don't think we would mass stockpile assault rifles, military-grade shotguns & hand guns in our homes, realistically, and most likely in the fallout universe, assuming we didn't get as violent as the US.

assuming( although assume makes an ass out of u and me ) that we don't have as much emphasis in weapons, I think it would be safe to say they wouldn't number as many as, say, in Washington.

am I just taking this too seriously? I think I am. I'll stop...

I do own only hunting rifles and shotguns but I know other that legally own handguns and I see them legally being sold alot. You are right Canadians don't have the need to go out and buy assualt rifles and explosives. Main reason we can't.

What I have been trying to say (set aside what things are like now) is that Canada of the 1950s was far different then today. Fallout tImeline I can see many Canadians owning assualt rifles. FO3 and New Vegas the most common weapons are hunting rifles and other rifles that are legal in canada. Prime Ministers in Canada back then wanted Canada to have a large army so keeping with that in the Fallout timeline, Canada's army was never hacked to bits by cut backs.

I think Ronto would be great, and I agree that stereotyping should not run rampant. Toronto might not have been that great of a target, so a large urban portion of the map that isn't separated by the metro could be an interesting change of pace. With the Skyrim engine that the next Fallout will inevitably use, snow, both on the ground and as weather could be added.

really? is there no mention of Canada in the fallout series other than what's already been said? I just didn't think Canada would be that much different in the FO universe than the real one. were we closely tied to the US or something(more so than we are nowadays)? we watch their TV and all that, sure, but it's just a different atmosphere, here, I think.

Its not just America thats stuck in the 1950s mindset its the whole world.