Fallout3 spoiled by racism?

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:09 am

I don't think there is any racist propaganda I think it went on the other end of the scale showing that even after an atomic apocalypse some human beings seem to be ungrateful that they are alive but instead are racially in sensitive there not trying to make us racists hell, Tenpenny is even a [censored] bad guy!!
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Jessica Stokes
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:36 am

I don't think Super Mutants bleed red.

i think your dead wrong.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:00 am

It does seem that in the wrold of Fallout, bigoted racism has been replaced by entirely logical and reasonable racism.

"Your skin is falling off, you're all rude, you carry disease with you, you stink, you hate non-mutants and at any given moment there's a possibility that you'll turn feral and kill us all. No, you ain't getting in".
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:24 am

Well, if there is racial favoritism in the game (Im not saying there is, never paid much attention but I wouldnt be suprised), its just typical political correctness and nothing truly sinister on the part of bethesda. Whites, and to a lesser extent Asians, are seemingly safe ground for playing the villian in popular American media.

As a white guy, its a bit offensive sometimes when TV shows or movies go out of their way to do this. Like the show "24" where it starts out with middle eastern terrorists and it gradually becomes revealed that its some white guy behind the scenes controlling everything...for money, usually. Or in movies where the terrorists are a bunch of eastern europeans. I guess people are just trying to cover their butts. Anyone who is not from the US would probably be suprised how much trouble someone can get into if they even catch a whiff of "racism".

I am used to it.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:53 pm

And the same can be said for whites. Some very good ones (Dad) and some very bad ones (Mr. Burke).

Your father's race is the same as whatever you choose during character creation, so he can be White, Black, Hispanic, or Asian.

However there are other people that can be considered:

Reilly of Reilly's Rangers, who is a very straight forward and positive person (and one who cares considerably for the other people in her squad)

Dr. Preston of Rivet City, who one of the most compassionate doctors you can find in the game (hardly lovey dovey but he's not going to complain about you)

Uncle Roe of Canterbury Commons (who is again a very straight up guy, and someone with political power and responsibility, and on top of that he adopted Derek when his parents were killed)

The four wandering merchants all give Agatha, and elderly woman, the supplies she needs to live in return for her playing music. That seems pretty charitable to me, and in terms of race three are White and one is Black.

There are no actual Indians or Arabs or Jews in the game either. I think the devs just went for the 4 races that Americans woul recognise. Although I'm still trying to work out exactly what a "Hispanic" is.

Or indeed a "Caucasian" and "Asian". Perhaps the only positive discrimination is that African Americans are the only ones in the game with a recognised ethnicity.

This is probably the point where we're reading to much into design choices. And if the developers are anything like me, they assign character race mostly at random. Hmm, need a few more elves here...

It would be best to stay away from the real world topic of how race is defined, both culturally and 'officially.' That's a can of worms in and of itself, and apt to drag this off topic.

And on that note:

It does seem that in the wrold of Fallout, bigoted racism has been replaced by entirely logical and reasonable racism.

"Your skin is falling off, you're all rude, you carry disease with you, you stink, you hate non-mutants and at any given moment there's a possibility that you'll turn feral and kill us all. No, you ain't getting in".

This thread is volatile enough without suggesting that racism can be reasonable. It's bad enough haven't to demonstrate good and bad characters by race, do we really need to start bringing up the nice ghouls as well?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:09 am

Your father's race is the same as whatever you choose during character creation, so he can be White, Black, Hispanic, or Asian.

However there are other people that can be considered:

Reilly of Reilly's Rangers, who is a very straight forward and positive person (and one who cares considerably for the other people in her squad)
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Yeah Dad was a pretty dumb example on my part. Should have thought a little more before posting. (I was thinking Liam Neeson at the time ;) )

But like you say there's lots of good and bad caucasians.

Just like the other races. Pretty even I think.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:56 am

I always thought that bethesda's inclusion of redguards in the elder scrolls universe was a bit phoney. I mean, they do seem a little out of place with their very european lifestyle and all. If THEY were the ones enslaved and abused it would have made the games much more intruiging. But bethesda chose to play it safe and invent lizard and cat people to be the underclass.

That would have been an incredibly risky move on their part however. No doubt, the backlash would have been monumental.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:19 pm

I always thought that bethesda's inclusion of redguards in the elder scrolls universe was a bit phoney. I mean, they do seem a little out of place with their very european lifestyle and all. If THEY were the ones enslaved and abused it would have made the games much more intruiging. But bethesda chose to play it safe and invent lizard and cat people to be the underclass.

That would have been an incredibly risky move on their part however. No doubt, the backlash would have been monumental.

They were originally very Arab in style. But really, how would the game have been more intriguing having red skinned humanoids be the slave class instead of the lizards? As I recall there were human slaves as well.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:40 am

They were originally very Arab in style. But really, how would the game have been more intriguing having red skinned humanoids be the slave class instead of the lizards? As I recall there were human slaves as well.


They should have stuck with the arab thing.

Why? Because it would have had shades of real world struggles and injustices. Honestly, did you even need to ask?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:45 am

It seems this topic has gone off into real world racial issues and into other games issues and not just how random it is in FO3 so it is more of a CD thread now. The problem is it has become a bit political and racially charged so I am not moving it but rather closing it. :)
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