Dammit! What the hell! Who confirmed this?! Way to completely ruin the surprise! Ugh! Falmer were supposed to be this big mysterious thing that no one knows if they even still exist or not and before the game is even released OH HEY THERE'S FALMER.

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This had potential to be a huge "holy crap" moment in the game and it just got completely and utterly ruined.

Did they ever even say that the falmer's were gorgeous/handsome elves?

Nope. But people tend to jump to conclusions where Elves are concerned.

what the hell are falmer ???!!!!!!oneoeneoenoe nn22222

if they were, which i doubt it, they're not anymore

living underground for hundreds of years can change the physical appearance of a community.

Wow, learn some manners. Not everyone enjoys the devolution of a good piece of lore. Not everyone is going to be ecstatic to find the Falmor, nor what they became, but that doesn't give you the right to talk down to someone who doesn't agree with Beth's decision to turn yet another piece of lore into crum. It seems with the release of new games it brings out the worse in people.

I myself think its neat that they have included them, and I understand the reason they are what they are (or made to be) I just hope theres more too them than just another enemy to fight and kill.

You are right, but you're painting everything in the same brush. If there was indeed something in the game that explained why they are what they are, then all is well. If, however, we're just given white goblins and expected to roll with it then... not good. Yes yes, I read 'How to write a damn good novel' both book one and two!

Whilst history will change (and we're talking about history here, not stories or lore, I can give you many examples of a story that never changes... or a lore that is set in stone, you're being general and vague), and new events will unfold, you can't expect people to live with a sudden miraculous change that removes all the mystery entirely. A better 'story' would be if the Falmer were still mysterious and unknown, with the player being the first to discover more about them... eventually finding out they still exist. But there is none of that it seems... they're just common goblin-critters that we might find everywhere, possibly with no information on their current well-being.

If they suddenly made the Reguards white and the Imperials black with zero explanation, nobody would be happy. For a change to feel real, it needs a transition. Only transistors are capable of switching from 0 to 1 in the blink of an eye.

I have no idea what is going on.

Falmer have never been in a game, only creatures people believe MIGHT be the Falmer. And now everyone is in an uproar. I understand some people were hoping for a graceful underground city full of elves, but this is Bethesda's game. They can make them anything they want. Sure, they may have lost an opportunity to do quests or "treat them right", but I don't think that is the case. People were never upset that the only dwemer we found in ruins were spirits that were always hostile.

The falmer were not "treated right". They were driven to the near-point of extinction, forced into the most inhospitable places in Skyrim, where all they could do was try to keep their race alive and nurse their resentment toward the Nords. This is TES, where dunmer get their homeland destroyed, emperor's whole families get assassinated, and Falmer get screwed. Its not a happily ever after fairy tale.

That being said, we don't know much about their inclusion in the game. I wonder if the Demoer actually saw "Falmer" on his target, or if he is speculating. Even if he did, that doesn't exclude the chance learn more about their backstory. Or to maybe do some quests for them. Just because some attack doesn't mean they all will. And just because they appear brutish doesn't mean they won't retain their culture and history.

For me, (and from what I've read, I assume) some others, it's not about how they look, just about what they did with them.

I sense a mod soon after release. I would be surprised if no one made a mod to make the Falmer "pretty". Not saying it should be, just making a comment :tongue:

This pretty much. Yeah the way they look is still a little bothersome, but so long as not ALL of them are these hostile creatures there for the purpose of being another thing to kill, and are involved in some sort of story line, I will be satisfied.

These forums are getting a bit dangerous with spoilers.

The author of the article confirmed it, not Bethesda. I know exactly what you mean though.

Yeah, I'm hoping once school starts I will be too distracted to come here.

The Lore said that the Nords invaded Skyrim and found the Falmer, a beautiful race of snow-elves. They became friends but soon the Falmer feared they would be driven out so they killed the Nords. The Nords came back and wiped them out.


I don't think Nords would be friends, or awed, by goblin-folk.

Don't talk about lore when you don't even care about all the cities that got wiped off the map in Skyrim.

so my last question went ignored

lets ask something more .....

controversial

can we marry one (what ever they are)

What book told us that the Falmer were a proud mystical race?

All I've read about them was from the pocket guide, where it is told that the nords blamed them for any misfortune. And I also read Aevar Stone-Singer, where they are told to be evil and servants to the Adversary.

I doubt it's that. Falmer were not friend of man, to begin with, but enemies.

An probably which we find are the remnants of the Falmer race. I suppose they were something more impreossive, once.

We're talking about an entire race. Not a single city.

Use intellect when speaking to me. My example of the Native Americans was in reference to the Nords kicking the Falmer out of their own land and forcing them into remote areas...Similar to how the settlers kicked the Native Americans off of their land, vilified them, then gave them a completely different and inaccurate title. Regardless of their evolutionary changes, the Falmer are still Falmer. Modern humans have been evolving for thousands of years, yet we are still humans. The Falmer are a proud race so I doubt they would change their identity just to suit their altered appearance.

I didn't want a "graceful underground city full of elves" I wanted there to remain a very cool mystery around them, sort of like the Dwemer. Or maybe even a small community of grim Dunmer like Mer which you find by chance and can help out or kill.

Turning them into mindless Goblins is not something I consider to be a good direction for them and I find it to be a complete waste of potential. We have Rieklings and real Goblins for that.

PS: Dragonborn1, stop bothering with quoting me, you are on my ignore list and I won't reply. :whistling:

How do you know the entire race is like the Falmer described in the article? There could be other Falmer in Skyrim that look different.

What I want to say is, as everyone else said, they had to go into hiding, they most likely would not look beautiful anymore after being underground, or wherever they were for years upon years.

Imo, it's easier to hide an entire race than a city. Or am I missing something here?