I'm actually assuming that there'll be quests where different people will pay you to prove one hypothesis or the other. Like an Altmer will try to prove that Falmer are still proud high-elven types that simply lost their culture after a cruel human barbarian culture brought them low and Nords will pay you to try and show them to be wrong (and probably to sock someone over that "cruel barbarian" remark).

They were in one of the hand-held games for telephones, I think.

I just hope they're a rare occurence. :confused:

it seems my theory was pretty much correct


"i'd say the creature is a falmer, pale from having its race living underground for hundreds of years (my theory anyway) since the nords almost exterminated them.
and using a chitin armor helmet made from bits of a giant cave spider.

according to my theory the falmer were forced to flee underground and i believe they've been there for hundreds of years, not enough to change their genotype but more than enough to change their appearance like pale skin due to absence from natural light.
the armor in this pic http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8613775/Skyrim/Secret%20Thumbs/thumb1_720p.jpg is what i find to be chitin armor as it seems too organic to be actual metal in my opinion."

That's not exactly what 4000 years of simply being in a different environment would do to a species. If, by some twisted and convoluted form of Tamrielic evolution, they did in fact change so much as to be basically like hostile little goblins rather than Mer, they should no longer be called Mer and just considered a separate species from the Falmer they evolved from... much like the speculated Reikling origins. Apparently, simply leaving Summerset Isle is enough for Ayleids and Chimer to be considered Separate from the Altmer and Aldmer and apparently, simply turning blue with red eyes turns Chimer into Dunmer, so how does the transformation from proud, civilized Elves to dungeon-dwelling goblins not constitute a name change?

This x100. Like I said before, survival situations have been known to make people more barbaric. I'd like someone to find a person whose lived in a cave for two years, they are definitely less elegant then they were before. And that's only a couple years, not hundreds like the Falmer have.

What you guys think of falmers?That as soon as they see you they would give you a hug and welcome you in their icy dark underground home and have a cup of tea with them?No!Nords killed them a lot!I think you would be pissed off too to hide all these years from the dikes who invaded land that used to be yours!

THIS JUST IN: LORE CAN CHANGE AND EVOLVE. THAT'S THE POINT OF A STORY.

Stop whining you lore freaks. This doesn't break lore. It's been, what, four THOUSAND years since anyone saw a Falmer? Things change, creatures evolve, after hiding in ice caves for 4000 years, their bodies would change and deform, just like Gollum.

It certainly could constitute a name change. It doesn't mean their name has to change.

Well, that is disappointing.
Actual Necromancer spells this time though.

if you want an open world, go play arena. Your argument is invalid.

If they're no longer the Falmer we've heard about, I'd much rather prefer to have their name changed. These are not the Falmer we've heard of... so why continue to call them Falmer instead of Reiklings? If the Falmer degenerated in Reiklings, so be it. That's not the problem. The problem is that they're still being called Falmer... insinuating they are, well, Falmer.

Falmers were once a race, dissapointing to see them turned into dungeon spawn.

They can't add a race now, plus, it'd be more exciting wandering around a frozen peak, then coming across a cave FILLED with Falmer.

I beg to differ. There are pictures of Falmer "Snow Warriors" from the older TES games. Info on them also states that their skin is constantly coated in a thin layer of blue ice.

I'm inclined to agree. If they are no longer what they used to be visually and culturally, I would imagine a name change should be in order. Reikling's, Ice Goblin's, etc, but certainly NOT Falmer.

i was right from the start, gotta love that warm feeling of being right about something XD

The point of a story isn't to 'change and evolve'. The point of a story is to describe a sequence of events. The point of lore is to create a body of established knowledge... this knowledge, for TES, is used as a setting and to base in-game events. A story does not need to have twists, change, be dynamic and adaptive. Nobody said it broke lore. And don't call us freaks.

Well said.

No it isn't. You can have many types of open world. Goblins are goblins are goblins. Hostile humanoids. Skyrim gains nothing new by calling its goblins Falmer and actually loses something.

Dwemer lived secluded, underground lives and were pretty much constantly at war with Chimer and Nords - but they weren't goblins-like fools. If the Falmer have been reduced to this it is an insult to all merfolk.

Yeah I understand what you mean. Perhaps it's Falmer because the Nords want to show people how they defeated the Falmer and it turned them into barbaric creatures. They keep the name to show that the Nords forced this once elegant race into a barbaric species. That could be a lore-driven explanation.

The person never asked for an open world. Your argument is invalid.

Or possibly, along the way, they've been corrupted in much the same way as the Orsimer were (or may have been). Is there any lore regarding which of the old Aldmeri god/s they followed?

or because the falmer kept the name as a memento of their grudge towards the nords, a "We shall never forget" kind of thing.

I'd imagine there wouldn't be much rush to rename a people thought to be long gone? Besides, Nords don't seem to like elves much anyways I doubt they'd rename a race of their province for the sake of the elven ego.