Hey guys, Ayleids didn't exist. It's a Nibenean conspiracy. *shh* :wink_smile:

I think there may be a conspiracy behind the lack of Falmer artifacts and ruins. This may tie in with the racism between Nords and elves that has been mentioned. Skyrim may be the original home for Humans in Tamriel but there were people already there. I'm sensing an American settler/Pioneer Vs. Native American allegory here.

Does this mean there will be Falmer ruins around the place like Ayleid (spelling?) ruins were in Oblivion.

I would LOVE to see Falmer ruins, secret Falmer lairs, and Falmer themselves in Skyrim. They should be a rare and hidden people, and their Monuments and Ruins should be less common than others, but they should DEFINITELY be present. I think one of the shortcomings of the games has been that they sometimes overlook their own lore a little, or focus so much on certain types of enemies and ruins, that others one would logically expect to find go missing/

I read the awesome tale of The Snow Prince, and would be very interested to see the descendants of so glorious a warrior-mage. Hopefully they will not be a gathering of purely hostile enemies.

It only stands to reason that Skyrim would have Falmer ruins. Really, they make more sense than Dwemer ruins. It would be unfortunate if the devs only had two or three dungeon types in the game. But,with the increase in dungeon developers, I am hopefully that we will have lots of pleasant, lore logical and lore expanding surprises, and hopefully Falmer will be among them.

I also hope they will have a distinctive look. I hated that Ayelid liches in Ayelid ruins looked exactly the same as every other lich in the game.

DAEDRIC RUINS???!!! Are you being honest, or teasing with this. If it isn't a tease, please provide your source, this is really fascinating news to a long time Daedra fan like myself.

Who knows, maybe the Falmer will be in the expansion?

To parrot some of the more respectable poster here, myth in TES worls differently than myth in real life. In a world where nothing is impossible, any story could be true. Add to this the lore that myth can BECOME fact and you pretty much have to put at least some stock in the myth of the Falmer. You can't use real-world anologies, and most of the ones posted thus far are bad ones at that. There are historical records of Jesus and Mohammed, and yes there are even records of Moses. I won't go much farther because religion is a dangerous can of worms, but those examples don't have much place in this argument.

Personally, I think that the Falmer were a real race in the history of TES. They will most likely never be seen again, kinda like the Dwemer, however awesome it would be. If nothing else, it would make a neat mod!

This is slightly off topic but, What ruins will there be in Skyrim? Morrowind had Dwemmer and Oblivion had Ayleid. Could Skyrim have some of both around the borders? Or perhaps first-era Akaviri ruins or Falmer ruins?

It's already confirmed that there will be Dwemer ruins. You can also see a http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/01/14/the-sounds-of-skyrim.aspx in one of the dev videos with the audio director Mark Lampert.

I understand the point you were getting at, but I think it's important to make a not so slight correction. There is actually fairly significant evidence for the story of Moses. I was watching the History channel the other day and they found tons of evidence for everything that occurred in the biblical account of the Red Sea. So I wouldn't be too quick to count out Moses as if he was merely a figment of ancient semitic culture.

I'm afraid I can't recall exactly where I found the info but I'm sure you can find this helpful. Scroll down to environment. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1181505-skyrim-info-compendium-and-faq/

No, thats the it. There is very little of the Falmer left which is why they are regarded as a myth. The last known Falmer ruin is the Tomb of The Snow Prince located on Solstheim. Unless more were discovered in the last 200 years then any Falmer ruin found would have been completely hidden from the world. I imagine any such ruins in-game would be treated like easter eggs or be very challenging with some great treasure hidden in it's bowls.

Thanks. I couln't find it specifically, but I sure hope you are right.

I would hope, considering what lore their is, and how enthralling a tale The Fall of The Snow Prince is, that the devs will do better with Falmer than they did with Aylied Wild Elves in Oblivion ( who are NOT exticnt, by the way, if you read the varying lore, including the books in the 2920 series in Obliivon and the book on The Wild Elves). I certainly hope that Falmer ruins will be present, if they indeed were the native people of Skyrim. Where else but in Skyrim would one find them? If they are to have an hour, and an aknowledgement, then here is the place for it. And they evidently do exist, if the tomb in Solesthiem is any indicator.

I don't think it would be hard to do. If there were a lost, well hidden remnant of the Falmer race, they wouldn't even need a special skin. The Devs could tweak and alter the look of Altmer or Dunmer in a semi-uniform fashion and manage it well enough.

The variance of ruin types would DEFINITELY be a good thing. It strains credulity that any land mass with a history of varied peoples and cultures would only have ruins reflecting one or two distinct time periods and cultures.

I won't expect it, but it would be nice, so I will hold out hope.

Did you ever read The Snow Prince book in Oblivion? If you're interested in Falmer i suggest it. I don't remember entirely but i think it refers to the last snow elves

I'm pretty sure someone already made a thread about this earlier today, but it was called "Elves of the snow" or something. Either way, yeah, I'd like to see Falmer in Skyrim, or at least some sort of remnants of them, like the Rilekings (or however that's spelled) in Solstheim, which were rumored to be descendants of the Falmer.

There is another thread like this, but this one was the first. I hope we will see Rieklings. . . but I would also be happy to see some lost, hidden tribe of remaning Falmer. We'll see.

If anything I do think there will be atleast one Falmer ruin hidden somewhere in the game. After reading about the Falmer and their history in Skyrim and then finding thr Tomb and the Armor, I don't think the developers will pass up this chance to wet our lips.

I think you are probably right. We could both be sadly mistaken of course. Sometimes developers overlook what seem like obvious things in their rush to finish or fervent attention to other aspects of the game. And sometimes devs just act in bad form. Lol. But I think it is most likely that there will be some Falmer related material in Skyrim.