First of all this thread is not about graphic and lighting and field of view.

Second, anyone who has not gone in depth into Morrowind's environment, richness of culture and lore and has not tasted the rpg game-play and role playing opportunities, is really missing a lot.

Thirdly, the Oblivion's fast travel is convenient, but if combined with map compass GPS markers, converts a deep role-playing opportunity to live in a world and experience its depth into a fast action game, that plays like this: Click on the map, jump here and kill the lot and jump there and give the item, and get the reward, click on the map and jump there and follow the compass carrot, til you reach the target and speak with the man, and click on the map and jump there and so on...

If you were denied those two fast action tools, you would have to get deep into the game and look around you for a way to reach the next target, and keep looking until you find a tall cliff that is your mark, given by the quest giver.

Turn left and follow the road to reach the tavern, and ask the barman if there is a traveling service around that you could use to reach the next town and so on...

Much more immersive and natural, and in my own experience, entertaining and rewarding when you could finally do the job.

Carriage system as well as magic map confirmed. /thread

Like I said earlier:

It sounds like the carriages are not meant to appeal to Morrowind travel fans, but rather Oblivion travel fans. Fast travel will work like fallout 3, where you can only fast travel to places you've visited before. In Oblivion you could go to every single major city without ever visiting any of them. Some people liked being able to instantly fast travel to cities - so they put in a carriage system that lets them quickly discover the major cities for a few coins.

Besides, this doesn't come near the amount of options we had for fast travel in Morrowind.

Indeed. I never even thought of Morrowind as even having a fast travel system - it had a travel network in the game, but it wasn't a "system" if you get what I'm saying...

There were caravaners taking you to nearby cities (granted, maybe it would be enough to plan your journey from the first city instead of having to talk to several people and loading screens if you wish to travel 3 cities away or something), there were scrolls of intervention taking you to the nearest temple, that seemed pretty natural in the setting. And powerful mages could mark a spot and teleport back again with a spell.

That's not a fast travel system, that's just lore, the world, whatever you want to call it... I had no problem ignoring the fast travel option in Oblivion, but a caravan, some intervention scrolls or recall spells would just be so much nicer...

Hmm... it never felt that way for me... why is that?

oh yeah...

I HAVEN'T USED FAST TRAVEL EVERYWHERE!!

So why do I still want it in? Because it has its uses. I use it to go to different districts in Imperial City because I don't want to wait trough all the loading screens. I use it when there's a lot of backtracking, because walking trough the place I've already went is boring. I never used it to travel to other cities, unless it was right next to me.
This is a thing called SELF CONTROL!

Just another reason for a hardcoe mode imo.

I never used FT in OB, and I rarely used it in Morrowind. So I couldn't care either way (I checked "no" anyway, because I'm hardcoe like that).

A good point, for doing many run throughs. I myself did not really mine it in Morrowind, though I only did two characters but nonetheless i spent well over 200 hours on it (god that sounds terrible...)

Mayperhaps, if it detects you beat the game one time, or got to a certain point in the game it will allow fast travel as wished on future characters? Just a random thought!




I think it was my TV that made it so scary, my TV i think was set pretty dark and I did not know. And besides, it was how many years ago? I was probably like 13 or 14 when i played it!

About cheating, again, I feel it is cheating if you can use it when you are in a troublesome situation, such as lets say you ran out of health potions. If fast-travel was not in place, and was instead that like Morrowind, you would probably have to run back to a town to get to safety, risking though that you may run into more enemies. But, with fast-travel in place, the player becomes less caring of preparing for such things, because they won't incounter it if they can just fast-travel to safety and back to danger. It makes the game easier, and promotes laziness!

A new idea in my head that I have seen in previous games: Perhaps when we fast travel through contested lands we should have a chance to encounter an enemy or two, to make it seem like you actually traveled through the danger instead of bypassing it completely? Then you would still get the risk and the realism, but still have much of the time saved over traveling?




Exactly what I want to say, though my mind had trouble doing it! Thank you! For me the lore part of it is the biggest thing





This problem with the city though is quite new, as I don't remember cities in Morrowind being like that, all layered between walls and requiring loading screens. I don't know if Skyrim will have cities like that, the kind that require multiple zones. I didn't really like that about Oblivion actually, it made the city feel like a building!

I did like how Fallout 3 forced you to at least get to a location yourself before you could fast travel to it - major settlements included. I would rather have that than Morrowind's system where you had the network of fast travel between major settlements that had the same negative effect on initial exploration of the routes to each of them that having them start as unlocked did in Oblivion AND you had the tedium of trecking back through places you had walked 5 times before after the fun of initially exploring those routes had been had. Yes there was the cumbersome pylon system that was patched to be less tedious eventually but if you had the misfortune of not being able to mod away the incessant and annoying cliff racer attacks (alas alack and woe for those who played Morrowind on the over-sized bread warmer that was the original X-Box) it was still a chore once you had the joys of going where no... um you... had gone before.

So I would say neither. I would prefer either Fallout's "No fast travel until you've been there" system of fast travel notes like those in Morrowind only less cumbersome and a little more comprehensive and only if there were horses. Given that they have stated there will be no levitation and the lack of a speed attribute means you won't be able abuse spell creation and enchantment to turn yourself into a human cruise missle - something fast with a comfortable seat would be a much needed way to prevent repeated treks off the Morrowind style fast travel network a must have.

Also - unless we're saying that sadistic torture of console games is a winning sales strategy a Morrowind style fast travel network would require Todd Howard promise that the only cliff racer that might possibly be in the game would have to be stuffed and mounted over a fireplace somewhere as an inside joke to people who played Morrowind. Seriously, first time I hear a cliff racer screech I'm firing up the mod tools, searching for all references to them and purging them from the game.



Oh yeah - even if you could use the world map to fast travel to previously visited markers I still think those things should be in there. Having them actually be encounterable on the roads would be a nice way of making the world feel alive ragardless of whether you needed to use them if you wanted to fast travel. Caravans or the occaisional messenger on horseback sound like something that could be used for some of those flexible Radiant Story events too. If we do have the Morrowind style fast travel node network ONLY that would also be alright but see my above rant about cliff racers and cumbersome nature of the 6 or 7 methods of fast travel in Morrowind which could often result in time wasted because your divine intervention spell took you to a shrine in the complete opposite direction of where geometry and convenience would seem to have suggested it would. And yes I made the mistake of getting Morrowind for the X-Box and playing it for all of 5 hours before I broke down and bought a new graphics card and a PC version of it - first thing I did with the PC version was exterminate the cliff racers.)

You are right though - the presence of that mish mash of transportation did add a good deal of flavor to the setting - particularly those silt strikers. If they can do a kind of fast travel system that gave some nice Skyrim flavor with a little bit of Nordic practicality thrown in.

That is complete bull crap. Just because people have a life doesn't mean they don't have a right to play the kind of game that they enjoy the most. Why should people be forced to spend 20 minutes in a game holding down their walk/run key for absolutely no reason except to waste time going from point A to point B. I don't have a lot of obligations myself, yet I still don't want to play that way. It's boring, tedious and adds nothing to my game.

i would like both and it seems we are getting it

Yup. With carriages confirmed, we've got at least one in-game non-walking-on-autopilot method.

The problem with silt striders IMO, in morrowind was that it's exactly the same thing as fast traveling in oblivion, as long as you are in a city. The instant second you get out of a city, it changes completely.

We do need other fast travel ways, which are not magical map clicking. And only if there is enough of them (which there was not in MW) then it wouldn't be a pain in the ass, which it was in morrowind.

i had written this in another topic but i shall leave it here also.


i can't say i am a fan of how fast travel worked in oblivion and fallout 3. it allowed you to travel EVERYWHERE and i felt that limited the satisfaction of exploring. but at the same time, there are times when i want to fast travel. lets say i get to a cave way out in the middle of nowhere and realize i forgot to grab some lock picks. i don't want to have to walk all the way back to town to pick up some lock picks just to have to walk all the way back to the cave again. thats realistic and all, but this is a game and that is a little to frustrating to be an accepted gameplay mechanic. i also, after many hours of playing, started to get annoyed at how imprecise the fast travel system was. i would be transported to the edge of town and have to run all the way to my house. and when i grabbed what i needed from home, i would have to step back outside just to be able to fast travel again. i got sick of having to wait to load a city that i was only going to stand in for 1 second.

so i think these issues could be addressed by taming down the fast travel system. one way of doing this thought of would be to take the mark and recall system of morrowind, and then expand upon it. in morrowind, other then boats, mages guild, and silt striders, spells were needed to fast travel, but it was very limited on where you could fast to. in the case of getting to a cave and realizing you had no lock picks, i would just cast a mark spell... then a divine intervention spell to take me to the closest town... from there grab what i needed or use the traveling services to travel to where i needed to go to get what i needed... then i would just cast recall and be back at the cave with my lock picks.

i feel that if they expanded this system to allow you to have multiple "marked" locations, then we could retain the good aspects of fast travel oblivion had while at the same time limiting the negative side effects of it. in morrowind, mark and recall where in mysticism, which was cut cut, so you could attach this.... mark and recall fast travel system... to a perk tree. have perks that increase the number of marked locations you can have.... maybe go as high as 10 different locations.

i feel this mark and recall fast travel system, when mixed with the confirmed carriage system, would be a good fix the old system. as long as you where smart about it, you could have your home marked, your local guild hall, your favorite tradesmen, and still have mark location available to throw down in the middle of nowhere to save you from an hour long hike back to town for some lock picks. this system is also tamed down enough so you can't just travel anywhere at the press of a button. i feel that would increase the satisfaction of exploring, but at the same time limiting the annoyance of it. this system would also allow you to be precessional on where you get to teleport to. instead of having to run through town and suffer all those load screens, you could just pop right into your house and back out again.

so what do you guys think? does this sound like a good idea? are there any suggestions that you have to add to this idea?

I spend all my time working and studying, every single day for the last 2 years where I′ve not had to attend college I′ve attended 6 - 8 hours of work EXCEPT that during summer and winter vacations from college my workplace has had to give me a day off once a week since they are bound by law not to have someone work 7 days in a row, but that′s one day in a week only over the summers and winter and considering those vacations are only about 1/3rd the time spent in college you probably don′t get much more than 30 weeks where I have to have a day off in those two years (or 104 weeks), so that′s at least 730-30=700 days of working in the last 2 years while keeping a social life but admittedly I do not have a house to run (gotta love hotel mama) and I don′t have to take care of a child. But in this economy how many young individuals can buy a house while they′re attending college anyway.

So I may only be a child in the eyes of someone so hardcoe as to have real life responsibilities but I′d still say I had more than enough free time for a game like Morrowind where there is not fast travel. We only get a new TES game every 5 years so it′s not like you′re in a rush when you have the time and longing to play a TES game to finish it (I was such a fool with Oblivion I actually looked up where to find all the quests where I could not find more, I should just have taken the time and searched for them).

But I think this whole "oh I have a life unlike you children here so I need the game to be designed to my needs, rather than have it designed to be as much of a masterpiece as it can be", rather silly. If you don′t have time for games at all then why are you playing games in the first place, it seems obvious your hardcoe lifestyle offers you no time for gaming so why beat down those that want games to be as artistic and beautiful as possible for something you just want to get over with as if it was a chore ?

Not saying we can′t have fast travel, but to assume there should only be fast travel because of the needs of people who don′t have time for games, is very wrong. What I want to see is a system where there is fast travel but you can lock out fast travel at the start, and still have traveling services and spells like Morrowind did. And of course quests should be designed around people NOT using fast travel, but not around them using fast travel.

/end rant

Ive Not played morrowind so I cant make any comparison, it would be cool to Not have fast travel if bethesda decide on adding horses, though if not i think wed need it.
Though there is one thing that i think they could do... In Oblivion There were All of the cities unlocked to fast travel right from the start, In Skyrim they could have it so that Not any one place is unlocked for fast travelling until you have actually been there, including key plot places and cities, it would make the player at least explore the beauty of the landscapes that link places once. I also think it would be a good compromise for people that are on both sides of the fence on this matter.

Oblivion's fast travel system is just a simplified version of the Arena and Daggerfall systems. They simply removed the little pop-up window that described how long it would take your character to get to the new location (and in Daggerfall they made you choose whether you would walk or ride). I suspect that those of you finding it "immersion breaking" would like it much better if you could get that little bit of feedback that you were about to take a long journey which helps the load screen feel more like the "time has elapsed" transition it represents.

Got to be Morrowind style of fast travel for me. The Oblivion fast travel system made the game cheap and tacky, it seemed like Bethesda were trying to appeal to a wider audience, ie those that couldn't be bothered to spend a little time preparing for a quest, which is what made Morrowind so special.

I don't buy the, 'You don't have to use it" arguement at all. The fast travel system in Oblivion was built into the game along with many other features, like level scaling, evil character spawning and so on. In Morrowind, if I had to spend 10 minutes walking somehwere, once I'd done it, I 'owned' the area and it was generally rid of evil characters. In Oblivion if I wanted to walk somewhere I'd just find a new troll around every corner, even if I walked back to where I'd started and where I'd just slaughtered loads of them, there'd be new ones all of the time. Nowhere had any relevance, any depth.

The Oblivion fast travel system ripped the soul out of Morrowind, I hope they get it right with Skyrim.

If there is both carriages and fast travel in Skyrim then people can just choose. If you don't want to fast travel everywhere, then don't. If you don't feel like walking everywhere, then just use the fast travel system. It's as simple as that.

Daggerfall had the best fast travel of all the other games. But that wouldn't work because Skyrim won't be as ridiculously huge as Daggerfall was..

I always loved travelling on boats, would be pretty cool to actually see yourself travelling on the boat or rowing it (:

I would like Oblivion-style fast traveling, in addition to Morrowind's. Because, on my first play-through, I would use MW-Style, but later, on my other play-throughs, I would like to be able to breeze over the roads that I have already seen in my first play-through.

Did that make any sense? :frog:

Yep. Perfect sense. :thumbsup:

So true, although i did prefer morrowinds fast travel setup, i wouldn't have finished oblivion without fast traveling working 13 - 14 hours 5 days a week(with morrowind i was blessed to still be in high school and be skipping most days anyway), the weekend being my only time to play a videogame, spend real time with my girl (more than just sleeping next to her), and spend time with the guys.

I'd like to be in the carriage and having it go at fast speed, but not instantaneous. Use the carriage and trod quickly down the path unless it encounters something. You could use the vantage point to scape out locales and meet people whilst in the carriage. Would be mighty interesting, I think.