That is complete bull crap. Just because people have a life doesn't mean they don't have a right to play the kind of game that they enjoy the most. Why should people be forced to spend 20 minutes in a game holding down their walk/run key for absolutely no reason except to waste time going from point A to point B. I don't have a lot of obligations myself, yet I still don't want to play that way. It's boring, tedious and adds nothing to my game.

Daggerfall had the best fast travel of all the other games. But that wouldn't work because Skyrim won't be as ridiculously huge as Daggerfall was..

I did like how Fallout 3 forced you to at least get to a location yourself before you could fast travel to it - major settlements included. I would rather have that than Morrowind's system where you had the network of fast travel between major settlements that had the same negative effect on initial exploration of the routes to each of them that having them start as unlocked did in Oblivion AND you had the tedium of trecking back through places you had walked 5 times before after the fun of initially exploring those routes had been had. Yes there was the cumbersome pylon system that was patched to be less tedious eventually but if you had the misfortune of not being able to mod away the incessant and annoying cliff racer attacks (alas alack and woe for those who played Morrowind on the over-sized bread warmer that was the original X-Box) it was still a chore once you had the joys of going where no... um you... had gone before.

So I would say neither. I would prefer either Fallout's "No fast travel until you've been there" system of fast travel notes like those in Morrowind only less cumbersome and a little more comprehensive and only if there were horses. Given that they have stated there will be no levitation and the lack of a speed attribute means you won't be able abuse spell creation and enchantment to turn yourself into a human cruise missle - something fast with a comfortable seat would be a much needed way to prevent repeated treks off the Morrowind style fast travel network a must have.

Also - unless we're saying that sadistic torture of console games is a winning sales strategy a Morrowind style fast travel network would require Todd Howard promise that the only cliff racer that might possibly be in the game would have to be stuffed and mounted over a fireplace somewhere as an inside joke to people who played Morrowind. Seriously, first time I hear a cliff racer screech I'm firing up the mod tools, searching for all references to them and purging them from the game.



Oh yeah - even if you could use the world map to fast travel to previously visited markers I still think those things should be in there. Having them actually be encounterable on the roads would be a nice way of making the world feel alive ragardless of whether you needed to use them if you wanted to fast travel. Caravans or the occaisional messenger on horseback sound like something that could be used for some of those flexible Radiant Story events too. If we do have the Morrowind style fast travel node network ONLY that would also be alright but see my above rant about cliff racers and cumbersome nature of the 6 or 7 methods of fast travel in Morrowind which could often result in time wasted because your divine intervention spell took you to a shrine in the complete opposite direction of where geometry and convenience would seem to have suggested it would. And yes I made the mistake of getting Morrowind for the X-Box and playing it for all of 5 hours before I broke down and bought a new graphics card and a PC version of it - first thing I did with the PC version was exterminate the cliff racers.)

You are right though - the presence of that mish mash of transportation did add a good deal of flavor to the setting - particularly those silt strikers. If they can do a kind of fast travel system that gave some nice Skyrim flavor with a little bit of Nordic practicality thrown in.

i had written this in another topic but i shall leave it here also.


i can't say i am a fan of how fast travel worked in oblivion and fallout 3. it allowed you to travel EVERYWHERE and i felt that limited the satisfaction of exploring. but at the same time, there are times when i want to fast travel. lets say i get to a cave way out in the middle of nowhere and realize i forgot to grab some lock picks. i don't want to have to walk all the way back to town to pick up some lock picks just to have to walk all the way back to the cave again. thats realistic and all, but this is a game and that is a little to frustrating to be an accepted gameplay mechanic. i also, after many hours of playing, started to get annoyed at how imprecise the fast travel system was. i would be transported to the edge of town and have to run all the way to my house. and when i grabbed what i needed from home, i would have to step back outside just to be able to fast travel again. i got sick of having to wait to load a city that i was only going to stand in for 1 second.

so i think these issues could be addressed by taming down the fast travel system. one way of doing this thought of would be to take the mark and recall system of morrowind, and then expand upon it. in morrowind, other then boats, mages guild, and silt striders, spells were needed to fast travel, but it was very limited on where you could fast to. in the case of getting to a cave and realizing you had no lock picks, i would just cast a mark spell... then a divine intervention spell to take me to the closest town... from there grab what i needed or use the traveling services to travel to where i needed to go to get what i needed... then i would just cast recall and be back at the cave with my lock picks.

i feel that if they expanded this system to allow you to have multiple "marked" locations, then we could retain the good aspects of fast travel oblivion had while at the same time limiting the negative side effects of it. in morrowind, mark and recall where in mysticism, which was cut cut, so you could attach this.... mark and recall fast travel system... to a perk tree. have perks that increase the number of marked locations you can have.... maybe go as high as 10 different locations.

i feel this mark and recall fast travel system, when mixed with the confirmed carriage system, would be a good fix the old system. as long as you where smart about it, you could have your home marked, your local guild hall, your favorite tradesmen, and still have mark location available to throw down in the middle of nowhere to save you from an hour long hike back to town for some lock picks. this system is also tamed down enough so you can't just travel anywhere at the press of a button. i feel that would increase the satisfaction of exploring, but at the same time limiting the annoyance of it. this system would also allow you to be precessional on where you get to teleport to. instead of having to run through town and suffer all those load screens, you could just pop right into your house and back out again.

so what do you guys think? does this sound like a good idea? are there any suggestions that you have to add to this idea?

Ive Not played morrowind so I cant make any comparison, it would be cool to Not have fast travel if bethesda decide on adding horses, though if not i think wed need it.
Though there is one thing that i think they could do... In Oblivion There were All of the cities unlocked to fast travel right from the start, In Skyrim they could have it so that Not any one place is unlocked for fast travelling until you have actually been there, including key plot places and cities, it would make the player at least explore the beauty of the landscapes that link places once. I also think it would be a good compromise for people that are on both sides of the fence on this matter.

I would like Oblivion-style fast traveling, in addition to Morrowind's. Because, on my first play-through, I would use MW-Style, but later, on my other play-throughs, I would like to be able to breeze over the roads that I have already seen in my first play-through.

Did that make any sense? :frog:

So true, although i did prefer morrowinds fast travel setup, i wouldn't have finished oblivion without fast traveling working 13 - 14 hours 5 days a week(with morrowind i was blessed to still be in high school and be skipping most days anyway), the weekend being my only time to play a videogame, spend real time with my girl (more than just sleeping next to her), and spend time with the guys.

I would like to see a Morrowind-style fast-travel system.

I loved that you could only travel to certain places non-magically: the limitations of the boat and silt-strider systems were their charm. I know for me, the initial travel from the west coast to the east coast was a big step, as I couldn't just warp in that direction: I had to find a boat to take me here, a silt strider to take me there... fast-travel was not guaranteed, it was a service.

Half the fun of being stuck in the wilderness with no supplies was that you couldn't just "warp out" if you hadn't prepared a Divine Intervention scroll and a mark/recall spell. You had to be ready, and if you weren't, you had to struggle to get back home. In the dark, you could take a wrong turn and get lost, and thats where you would find the best stuff. I know some dwemer ruins I found were completely accidental, searching for the Urshilaku (or whatever they were called) tribe via some directions that I didn't read well enough. That takes us into the compass/directions argument, however.

I think the fast-travel system could work similarily. I think fast travel shouldn't be always accessible. I think travel from town to town is the only way to do it, and via different providers. If a ship service only sails to this town, but not far to another town, you'd have to work with what you had in order to figure out a way out there. I think if carriages worked the way I want them to, you would meet a carriage owner in town, who would then transport you to another town for a fee. Or perhaps, you could meet caravans already en route to destinations, and hitch a ride with them for a fee. Or maybe you could exchange a ride for protection of the caravan in some small-question situations.

Thats just my take however.. Morrowind all the way!

what a shock. yet another landslide victory for morrowind. take that you z"magic cheat map if instant get my out of danger map travel" supporters. :tongue:

hehe!

i honestly thought when i made this thing the poll would be 50/50 from what i remember from some old forums i saw the debating about it when it was going to be in oblivion. They did not have polls in threads, so i could only judge by the posters!

I'm quite pleased with these poll results, i must say! Though i wish everyone who entered the thread voted some way instead of just exiting without doing anything!

there have been a ton of polls on this subject and many other comparisons between morrowind and oblivion. morrowind ALWAYS wins with the exception of combat.

It was kinda funny reading that about the silt striders haha, i never actually thought they were annoying, and i play the game on the xbox. Well, i guess they were pretty annoying, i would try to avoid them if i saw them in the sky

I think you meen cliff racers :confused:

Oh wow yet another thread on fast travel. Please use the search function and stop making polls this will make you well accepted in this community

I was just wondering what people thought about this. I know this got a lot of controversy in Oblivion, and I wonder what people think now that they have played through it. By all means, discuss here!

My personal opinion is Oblivion's fast-travel was too much. I just felt like I lost much of the immersion. I mean, in Morrowind I would prepare when I would go out, leaving at the morning. I would always carry a lamp with me or a torch so that if I stayed past nightfall I would be able to see (and at night I was always scared [censored]less when monsters attacked me... i need my light!!!). I was afraid of night in Morrowind... afraid of the unknown. When I left town I actually felt like I was leaving the town, where there is no quick escape. It just makes everything feel more epic to me. When I would return to a town I would feel relieved and safe!

Now, when I played Oblivion I did not feel those emotional changes or any of the fear. I knew if I ever was in trouble I could just fast-travel back and get supplies, and then fast-travel back. I did not really care if I left a town or anything, I just felt like it was nothing to be afraid of. I would go out at any time of day, even night, because really you would probably only spend a minute or two outside until you get to the dungeon (if it was the first time going there) or just a few seconds (if you fast-traveled there).

In essence, the Oblivion-styled fast-travel made the world not seem real... it was just a map in a game in... Morrowind felt more like a real place to me.

Now, many people say "Well, if you don't like fast-travel, don't use it!" This argument is easily countered by this in my view: It is like cheating. If you get cheats in a game, you either use them or you don't. But if you ever get in a hard spot, your willpower is tried, and sometimes it breaks and you just use the cheat. But after that it is not easy to stop cheating, it is like an addiction! And although it makes it easier and funner for a time, it very quickly dulls down the game and makes it quite boring, as there is then not much of a challenge, or at least the challenge is lightened.

That is my humble opinion.