Because they did not want to clearly, why would they need to build a city? The ENCLAVE tends to all their needs, presumably has food production, definately power and such. Why go to such extravagance when the ENCLAVE already provides? Besides, civil obiedence is easier to control; even Richardson imagined most of the mainland a hellhole or radiation. What's easier than having roving robots defend your city? Have the ocean and Poseidon Energy defense systems do it for you.

My point is long before Richardson. In the decades just after the great war. When very few people were left alive. The "years of quite darkness." At some point they plan to rebuild all of America. Well they seem to be doing a very slow ass job. Sitting around for a 100 years before they think up a plan. Another 64 before they get it ready. What if it worked? How many decades would it take to re-populate America? I am guessing hundreds of years. Fallout 2 it made sense that they needed alot of time. Fallout 3 to me shows they did not need to wait. They could have taken back DC with plasma weapons yet they did not.

Another unrelated question... How did the Enclave know about Project P?

Enclave Eye bot?

Yeah but the BoS shoot them on sight. Enclave would know they are in the area but not what they are up to. Also the eyebots should have made the BoS realise the Enclave are around. Super Mutants would have been the least of their worries.

Again, why would they want a ruin of a city; the ENCLAVE gave them everything they needed to survive, maintain a stable society & keep safe for very little effort. They were paranoid about radiation, maintaining their genetic purity and were not in posetion of the full facts; simply they over-reacted to the California chaos just after the Master died and his armies roamed and put the wheels in motion for the Project.

As for F3, who knows? Eyebots maybe? That game gives me a facepalm induced headache.

those 200 (almost ) years they sat on the rig make me wonder why they needed the vaults, because practically any scenario they could hope to encounter, they would already be encountering while on the oil rig.

sorry. saw the time on the rig talk and couldnt resist, because its always bugged me.

Enclave want to rebuilt America at least I get that from Fallout 3. At some point they will have to get off that Rig. They would need to make babies. They would need to rebuild Cities. Are you telling me the Enclave's plan was to run to Rig and never leave it? Ever? The Tech in Fallout 3 would have allowed them to jump start the rebuiling by hundreds of years.

Yeah, Fallout 3 gives me a headache. The instant the BoS came across anything Enclave IE Eye Bot they would have dropped everything and hunted them down.

A perfectly valid point, something I mused about and came to the conclusion that the data may have come in useful for establishing the regime and maintaining order through propaganda; after seeing some Vaults fail from riots and civil war due to people wanting to leave.



[censored] F3 (don't call it Fallout, F will suffice surely ). They can rebuild cities after the Project has done all of the work for them surely? The Rig was fine until they needed to leave, you are suggesting they leave and live on the mainland without any real provocation, they can do it once the Project is complete. What tech on F3 is so valuable to rebuilding civilisation?

those vaults wouldnt have failed though if they handt changed been designed. to fail for the enclaves experiments that were useless as a result of their living out the same conditions on the rig..

its un [censored]able. the scenario is [censored] and will always be [censored].
lol sorruy.. i know ive made my points about this. but i cant help but chime in, when everyone is slamming writing. at least youve come to the same realization

What project? The one they did not think up till about 100 years after the Great War? So they went to the Rig with the goal "We will think of a plan once we get there?" Had all that tech and they did not think of anything for a 100 years?

Even after the plan, re-populating would take a very long time. Which could have been speed up with the building of Cities. Stopping NCR, BoS, Shi and even the master before they ever got started. They could have sent out robots and picked anyone off that survived. Could have used the mobile base to safely move around the nation, killing those that survived. Blasted things from space. So many options and yet they went with "lets take a century to think about it? :facepalm: " Fallout 2 it made sense, Fallout 3 messes with it.

Seriously, the Enclave experiments weren't all that crazy before 3, by Fallout 2 we had:

8 - Control Vault.
12 - Radiation Exposure
13 - Stayed shut indefinately.
15 - Mixed Ideologies.

Some that Richardson mentions include:

Fewer food synthesises.
All male.
Open after six months.

All realistic senarios for their survival plan, maybe they just stumbled upon the sweet spot for long-term social stability earlier than they expected :shrug:.

Yeah, they'll think of something there; the most logical assumption is that they simply intended to govern over what remained but that civilisation damaged more than they expected. You keep mentioning, "Why did they wait so long?", paranoia & not wanting to risk there genetics perhaps? The fact is that they did, the Mobile Crawler's fuel consumption must have been quite high, depending on what fuelled it and even then periously slow. Why rove around blasting [censored] when the Project could help them; they waited to long, though it was hopeless to try when they saw what survived and so instantly started the Project. I still don't see the advantage of one massive ass Crawler & an orbital weapon with eight salvos when it comes to retaking the nation.

A project that they needed a 100 years to think of. Seems pathetic that their goal was to just rule over the Rig and later Navarro. Why have all that propaganda in Fallout 3 if their goal was to just build another Rig like Enclave in DC? Just seems stupid to me. Really I thought you were one of the people that loved them for that very goal of one day rebuilding America. Now it seems like they only wanted to Rule over the Rig and only came up with the FEV plan to remove any possible threat to them? So they can live forever in peace on the Rig?

There goal in F3? That's a different matter, they probably would build some kind of settlement outside there obviously; but with a population so small why spread out initially? Keep it safe and together in one place.

Not forever in peace, but not take an unnecassry risk, what is the harm in just waiting until after the Project is complete. The 100 years before that? They were too paranoid & cowardly to go outside and look. They would of course eventaully out grow the ENCLAVE; maybe Navarro could have become the first settlement. I even hypothesise (based on the remote, automated Remnant's Bunker) that they may have built bunkers well in advance of the war. They would be like Navarro, sleeper bases for when the Enclave needed them; after, for example, the Enclave had made it from the ENCLAVE to LA they could have built somewhere in advance for them to instantly occupy and organise local efforts.

That's just my theory, makes sense to build stuff they might need before the bombs rather than after.

Don't forget that Eden's propaganda was just that, his ego needed soothing so he "Addressed the Nation!" like Roosvelt.

Some food for thought in this thread :read: Went way off topic because we agree on the Enclave's Fate. :foodndrink:

Apparently they didn't though.

Brotherhood outcasts don't attack eyebots (and presumably the Brotherhood of Steel doesn't as well, but they don't share a sphere of influence).

The Brotherhood was alerted in no way to the Enclave's presence, nor its location, with the eyebots, this is evidenced by the shock the Brotherhood displays when the Enclave first arrives.

Then that is a major issue then is it not? Greatest threat to the wasteland since the Master and yet no reaction to Enclave tech floating around with a voice saying "I am John Henry Eden, your president." Even if for some reason they don't see them as a threat and I don't see why they would not. The chance there is Enclave tech around is something BoS would not pass up.

I swear I did see Outcast shooting Eye Bots.

it doesnt even matter how crazy they were.

They wanted to study the long term effects of people being forced to live in small confined areas together , while they simultaneously were living in a small contianed area, where virtually any of the conditions they were to test could have occoured within that timeframe of 200 years.

thats like asking your neighbor what its like to have a back yard, as your talking to him from over the fence inyour back yard.

I agree, but I just try and make sense of it by saying that they tried to make sure that they themselves wouldn't suffer similar fates; they see a Vault collapse because of civil war about people leaving so they become more authoritarian, that's my justification and that they just realised how to keep order in the easiest way earlier than they though.

to me it spells out an error ont he enclaves whole MO, at elast partaining to the vaults.

surwe we can try to make sense of it. but it kinda smacks of bad writing.

I suppose it is an issue for Fallout 3's writing, but I was more defending Eden than Fallout 3's writing.




It's possible, but they are not supposed to be shooting each other. Their factions (as listed in the GECK) aren't hostile to one another.

Well the way I see it is that the ENCLAVE's initial occupants were pretty powerful people, not the type to form an authoritarian regime on themselves; I think that it came about from Vault data.

they were powerful people. but they werent all equally powerful, which gives at least some authoritary over he others from the start.
The alternative is that youve got equally powerful people that would not all see eye to eye, because as in that circumstance youre talking about there is no clear goal or plan.
Creating a plan is creating authroity to ensure the plan is acted upon




considering youre on a rig for who knows how long with how many people?
Either authority is set up at the beginning, or though infighting an authority is established.





you dont need vaults for that.

I would imagine that the initial residents were pretty dedicated to the plan, but subsequent one's might become curious or dangerous; I think that it is better than just calling it flat-out stupid.

If one want's an ingame explanation for why the Enclave and BoS don't duke it out from the word go is that while the Eyebots floated around, the BoS might have likely figured they were merely automated 'leftovers' or they were afraid of attacking each other. One could theorize in the fourty years the Enclave has hidden in Raven Rock and Adams Airforce Base, they have been training troops, replicating the tech lost on their 'reassignment', IE Navarro's classified downfall, and waiting for the moment to strike, then the Brotherhood, waited to bide their time once the Enclave came forth, attempting to find some way to get an upper hand on the Enclave, IE Vault 87's G.E.C.K.

As to 'Why didn't the Enclave use their orbital missile on the BoS?' That can be boiled down to,

A. The terminals in the control room make mention the controls frequently broke down.
B. The satellite bust be in the proper orbital position, likely due to it's propulsion jets or something siimiliar being burnt out, so they'd have to wait until the satellite was over it's desired location.

As to their fate, I don't believe the Enclave is dead in the senses of 100% completely, but I want them to come back as a diminished on their last legs kind of moment, or having other remnants if we go to D.C. again. I DON'T want to see the Enclave as a suddenly powerful force again unless there is a convincing reason how and why.