If there is no more landscape texture pop then hopefully natural and artificial objects will obstruct your view. I'd love for a forest to block my view from one side to the other more effectively. I think art of the issue in Oblivion was that it was a very centralized area; There was a main city in the center, ensuring every city was close to another and trees were cleared from the center of the map.

the fact that the plot was passable, and that the lore was fantastic. everything in oblivion felt stupid if you looked at it hard enough

lol, I didn't have time to look at Oblivion's main story very hard on account of I was avoiding Oblivion Gates like the plague. The broken enemy scaling mechanic allowed Clanfears to abuse my low agility to turn me into a drunkard that staggered with each hit and couldn't recover long enough to retaliate.

I suppose it's literally minutes since we had an unproductive "Morrowind is better than Oblivion" thread.

I thought this is the skyrim forum

anyway I miss the great number of weapons and armor

Yea, I already noted the incongruity between the thread topic and forum topic :tongue: I think it fits in a way though because showing things that should not be left out of Skyrim like the were in Oblivion is important :foodndrink:

But its your opinion that's a good thing. I personally like lower fantasy level monsters such as what Oblivion had instead of the floating jellyfish Morrowind had. Monster diversity is important in any game sure, and both Morrowind and Oblivion had just that. Morrowind was more toards the alien life forms and Oblivion was more for the general fantasy type monsters, and I like the general fantasy type monsters better personally.

The houses. House Hlaalu/ Redoran/ Telvanni. Not necessarily specifically them, but similar quest lines/ factions. I.E. Factions you have to choose one for each character, and doing one locks you out of the others. I SERIOUSLY expect Nord Clans to be exactly like these, hopefully with a Stronghold building quest line at the end.

As a fan of Magic the Gathering and D&D, I enjoy general fantasy monsters as well. I just think that that those monsters fit better into games of other universes like D&D or LOTR. Yes, this is mostly opinion. I do feel, however, that it is a stretch to call opinion the assertion that Morrowind had a far more unique set of monsters in comparison to other fantasy settings than Oblivion. I feel that this uniqueness and sense of exploring a world full of new, unknown creatures is more compelling than fighting the same creatures that have been around for decades. What is the point of creating unique lore for a world if you aren't going to fill it with unique creatures?

On a more personal note, I never saw Morrowind's monsters as 'alien' in any way. They seemed believable to the world they were in. It's actually a monument to Bethesda's skill at worldcrafting that they could make such interesting creatures and not have them seem like outsiders in their own environment. Sad that they threw such a great accomplishment into the trash

If I remember correctly, each melee weapon in Morrowind deals three type of damage - slash, blunt, poke(?).

slash, blunt, poke pierce, lol!

Amen! The Houses and their rivalry and their distinct feel were a good part in Morrowind's coherent world.

The fact that you couldn't quaff a levitate potion and find a Daedric bow with a few arrows in the most unlikely of places.

The fact that you couldn't dive into a pool after entering a cave, which then joins onto a Daedric shrine. And in that Daedric cave you find an amazing piece of kit after a difficult fight (Eleidon's Ward).

The fact that you couldn't by chance happen upon a Daedric Dai-Katana while exploring a Kwama mine.

The fact that there was no large mystical structures in caves over a hundred foot high.

The fact that you had to bash goblin #486 in corridor #315 in generic cave #13

Admittedly some of it is nostalgia but Oblivion just wasn't in the same league in terms of discovery, story, equipment and mystery.

edit: Oblivion went from an average game to a great game after about 18 months when the mods really started to bite.

Yeah me too :unsure2: Though I thgouht I would never admit it..... And yeah I had fond memories of those directions as well. The thing I most missed was the aligning ones self with one of the houses. I really enjoyed the gameplay and story around the houses, and how cool it felt to "belong" to one.

NO, have some reason.

dagon just wanted to smash things, dagoth wanted to oust a group of false gods and get rid of foreigners (a view shared by many) and thus had a reason to be a dike. i find a plot so much better when the bad guy has nice reasons

and the way they did the guilds in oblivion :brokencomputer:
fighters guild are noble warriors, mages guild are noble mages fighting evil people who like to wear black, thieves guild people are noble thieves, and hail sithis

:shrug: I agree Morrowind had a more unique monster types. I however just don't think its my cup of tea. I'd rather fight those general fantasy type monsters in first person to experience those epic battles with the same beasts you always read about or watched your avatar fight pixalized representations of. That's really cool for me, when I can pick out what a monster is from other stories, and while I'm fighting it I can think how it is to go toe to toe with a minotaur.

In Skyrim I expect monsters that fit the landscape. Sure a floating jellyfish was interesting to fight for sure, but it would be kinda strange to find one in Cyrodiil. Cyrodiil came off as a more general fantasy level area, so I would expect general fantasy monsters. Skyrim is more snowy but still lower fantasy, so I expect monsters that are low fantasy and fit the area. Like mamoths and saber tooth tigers, or snow vampires.

To be fair, I don't disagree with your list here (or can at least see your point), it was just the "everything" that I thought was rather too broad. I'll take my usual stance here which is that both games had their own strengths and I enjoyed playing both an awful lot: I just hope that Skyrim takes their best elements and leaves the not so good bits behind...

And for me, that includes the reintroduction of fog.

The underlying tension between the factions. Morrowind had a gritty feel to it. Being treated as an outcast, the standoffish, yet proud Dunmer society, I guess the atmosphere in general appealed to me a bit more then Oblivion.

Political and religious strife. Morrowind felt like a living, breathing world where different NPC's had different opinions and beliefs and there were plenty of gray areas, whereas Oblivion felt black and white and NPC's had the "OH HAY LETS SMASH DE BAD GUY DERP!" stance on everything related to the main plot.

What I missed most from Oblivion which was in Morrowind is the original Dunmer voices.

Yes, something this small ruined the entire Oblivion experience for me.

Whereas this probably won't affect most players out there, I very much doubt I'll even buy Skyrim if the Dunmer don't have their original voices. I won't fall into that hype trap again.

That's an odd thing to decide whether or not to buy a game over.

Fair enough. I don't mind utilizing some common fantasy creatures, it's always nice to see familiar entities. I just wish they weren't so wholesale about it in Oblivion. It just struck me as lazy in a way. I'd love for them to bring typical common cold climated fantasy creatures to the table with Skyrim but I also want them to come up with just as many creatures that are unique to TES so I don't have to always go "oh look, another troll/giant/goblin". Instead I want to see a creature and say "Oh look, another... wait... what the hell is that thing?"

Oblivion was too easy period. When I played Morrowind, it was tough to get higher level equipment and fight higher level enemies. But in Oblivion they scaled it all and it was waaaaaay too easy to go through the main quest at level 1. It was also too easy to level up and get your hands on daedric armor.

Also I miss the great variety of armor and weapons in the game.

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Come to think of it, I missed variety period. Oblivion lacked variety and uniqueness that was seen in Morrowind.

No the basis on which I decide whether or not to buy a game sequel (or any film sequel for that matter) is how true it stays to itself - very important.

The Dunmer race are exactly that; Dunmer. They won't suddenly lose their culture or tradition by living in another part of their world.

You don't provide such an important characteristic feature of a race in a prequel then suddenly take it away in the sequel because of some technicality or to save money or time.

It's another reason why players felt such a lack of immersion in Oblivion; every male elf was just some British guy.

Uniqueness, discovery, dunmer voices, Morrowind's fast travel system and the way quests were handled.