Really? I thought there were alot at the battle for the dam.

Yeah there is, but that's past the point of no return.

I was assuming Caesar was just holding them back for the battle.

Doesn't mean we can't see them in the wasteland before the Battle at Hoover Dam.
Like at Legion raiding camp, there should be a Centurion in charge.
Same for Nelson and Techatticup Mine.

Wouldn't hurt.

Centurions are the Legion's top commanders. There aren't that many of them, but the only reason I can think of why there are so many at Hoover Dam is because they left their posts in Arizona and New Mexico in order to join Lanius at Hoover Dam.

Also: Somewhere in this topic it was stated that the NCR hasn't stormed the Lucky 38 and House is because they want to play nice. No they don't. They don't want to play nice at all. They haven't attacked House because that will cause a lot of NCR casualties, leaving them vulnerable to a Legion offensive. It's not because they're pacifists or 'nice' in any way. They stormed Bitter Springs and killed children and sick or old people just because they are members of a tribe at war with the NCR. They wanted Helios One so they decided to kill everyone there. The NCR doesn't ever play nice. They take what they want and kill everyone in their way.

I did think it over, and the NCR would still be destroyed. They can be powerful and large, but that doesn't give them victory, the Legion has superior tactics and organization, not an unorganized and corrupted government.

Not to mention the possible revolutions that Marcus predicts for the NCR.

The NCR is two-faced about it though, they claim to the outsiders that joining them is to be apart of a force of change, the Enclave never claims such things and those in charge admit that they need to do something pretty unforgivable; Vault City wants to be free yet the NCR wants their stuff, the second that their peaceful diplomacy doesn't work they start getting all evil.

I think the problem here is people are to railroaded in their NCR fanatacism. "NCR BRING TEH DEMOCRACY FTW!" and all that nonsense. The NCR is very powerful, but the Legion is just as, if not more so, powerful than the NCR, I mean, the life of a Legionare day in and day out is training, eat, sleep, training, eat, sleep. So when it comes to battle time, they are a foe to be feared, look at the Centurion, they have to kill ONE HUNDRED people just to earn that rank. And look at their armor, T-45d Pauldrons, Combat Armor piecings, Super Mutant armor? They arent some Johnny Come Lately who thinks they are bad ass, they ARE bad ass. Plus, Caesar uses the tactic of using waves in the order of weak, medium, tough, deadly. By the time the Deadly are brought out to the field, the enemy, NCR in this case, is quantessentially tired out and incapable of keeping their fists up. Without the Courier, either A. Benny would take over The Strip, or, more likely, B. Caesar will litter Hoover Dam with the bodies of the NCR, and march into Vegas, trying rigorously to invade Lucky 38. Where either House fails, or Benny will miraculously save Vegas by getting to the bunker at The Fort.

I wold have to say my favorite faction is the boomers, even though I don't appreciate their isolationist ideas. I also like th bos but I also think that hating everyone but themaselves gets them nowhere. I also don't mind the ncr. I have no opinions because I've never done any quests for them.

Im at a tie between
NCR and BoS, Prob NCR Because the BoS Seemed like dikes in in New Vegas

Thats because the BOS are jerks in FNV. They need to loosen up or there gonna dissapear.

BoS are like that, religious fundamentalists, go try and tell those Westboro chaps that people evolved from lesser creatures.

I vote Brotherhood of Steel. I would have said the NCR, but as Colonel Martyr said:



I agree with that statement wholeheartedly, and therefore am not 100% fond of the NCR. However, the Brotherhood are pretty badass and have great armor. And if it wasn't for Star Paladin Cross, the Lone Wanderer and their dad never would have made it to Vault 101 and never survived the Great War! :thumbsup:

What?

"But there's something even more important about Star Paladin Cross — she's none other than the Brotherhood of Steel soldier who helped save the Lone Wanderer's life as a baby. Cross helped James, the father of Lone Wanderer, get through the Super Mutants and escorted them all the way to Megaton.[1]"

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Cross

The game does seem to take place like 10 years after the bombs (Due to the low technological advances and complete and total anarchy all over the place) so I honestly don't blame him for thinking that way.

Anyway, SteelersGurl07, you said: "And if it wasn't for Star Paladin Cross, the Lone Wanderer and their dad never would have made it to Vault 101 and never survived the Great War!"
What The Enclave commented on as "What?" Was that the Great War took place 200 years prior to FO3's story.

"Officially, the Vaults were nuclear shelters designed to protect the American population from nuclear holocaust..."

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault

Let's try this again: "And if it wasn't for Star Paladin Cross, the Lone Wanderer and their dad never would have made it to Vault 101 and never survived the Great War!"
You make it seem as if Star Paladin Cross, a BOS member (which didn't form until "after" the war. (And Lyons chapter didn't arrive in Capital Wasteland until 30 something years prior to FO3)) saved Lone Wanderer and James and brought them to the vault before the bombs dropped.
This would mean that James is at least 240 years old.

Are you arguing?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Great_War

Great War, 2077.

Lone Wanderer born, 2258.

I was not aware of dates. My bad. And #1, I am not arguing. I was explaining myself, even though I was wrong, I was still able to provide all I knew to support my answer. Dates was information I did not know, which would prove my response inaccurate. Sorry. Though I can still admit I'm not perfect and do not know everything about Fallout and it's history (though I am learning).

@Gabriel77Dan - As I said before, I do not know all and was not aware of dates. Regardless of the fact, it was still Star Paladin Cross that saved James and the Lone Wanderer from the Wastes, if anything. So, my statement still stands minus the "and never survived the Great War." :meh:

That's why I said: "The game does seem to take place like 10 years after the bombs (Due to the low technological advances and complete and total anarchy all over the place) so I honestly don't blame him for thinking that way."
You should probably give FO1 and FO2 a go to get the full grip of the lore.

Look at my post about the battle of Somme a few theads back. I can care less whar cl does in their spare time. Real life hisory ,and logic, tell me that 100,000 men cant run through a bottle next againt a modern military force. Fighting forces do not do that anymore for good reason.

There is no possible way CL wins a lore battle at the dam. They are attacking into a bottle neck. I can not work....... Just look at my post about thd battle of Somme and imagine NCR dug in with a layered defense. cl can t do it............

They weren't simply going to form lines and march across the Dam at them, they are going to run at a bunch of men with semi-automatic rifles; they have infiltrated the lower levels of the Dam and can strike behind the NCR heavily defended perimeter, they may have a pre-war howtizer (assuming that we are discussing without the Couriers intervention, another part could be found somewhere) to pound the NCR snipers. The NCR's position is piss weak and the Legion beat them before if you talk to people, only the main bulk of the Legions forces kept maching onwards in Boulder City and got ambushed, Lanius also mentions that they couldn't dislodge some NCR holdouts from the Dam's lower levels.