Hey all, I'm having some trouble with CTD's. If I save in the wilderness, and try to load that save, Oblivion crashes.

Here's my load order (I've used BOSS, but it says my load order is fine):

Oblivion.esmFrancesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esmFrancesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmMart's Monster Mod.esmTamrielTravellers.esmFCOM_Convergence.esmDLCShiveringIsles.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.espFrancesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.espFrancesco's Optional Leveled Guards.espFCOM_Francescos.espFCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.espFCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.espNatural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Water_by_Max_Tael.espThieves Arsenal.espBob's Armory Oblivion.espFCOM_BobsArmory.espOblivion WarCry EV.espFCOM_WarCry.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espMart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.espFCOM_Convergence.espFCOM_RealSwords.espMart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.espMart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.espMart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.espMart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.espTamrielTravellers4OOO.espShiveringIsleTravellers.espShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.espFCOM_TamrielTravelers.espMart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.espOOO-WaterFish.espVaultsofCyrodiil.espKnights.espxuldarkforest.espxulStendarrValley.espxulTheHeath.espXulEntiusGorge.espxulFallenleafEverglade.espxulColovianHighlands_EV.espxulChorrolHinterland.espxulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.espxulBravilBarrowfields.espxulLushWoodlands.espxulAncientYews.espxulAncientRedwoods.espxulCloudtopMountains.espxulArriusCreek.espxulPatch_AY_AC.espxulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.espxulPantherRiver.espxulRiverEthe.espxulBrenaRiverRavine.espxulImperialIsle.espxulBlackwoodForest.espxulCheydinhalFalls.espNatural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.espHarvest [Flora].espHarvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.espRealisticForceMedium.espRealisticMagicForceLow.espMidasSpells.espMidas OscuroGems.espMidas Reduced Costs Half.espNo psychic guards v1.2.espFrancesco's Slower skills x1.5.espMart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.espFrancesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.espStreamline 3.1.espMidas PowDur2x.espxulAspenWood.esp

Are you not using a bashed patch?

gtm

No, I wasn't using Bashed Patch before. But I just enabled the patch following the instructions on the FCOM install guide, and the problem persists.

Quick question: Are you loading a save made within a cell, from within the same cell? IE, are you saving in the woods and then trying to load that save while still in the same section of woods?

If so, that crash is quite common. You have to go out to the menu and load the save from there to prevent the crash.

If however, you are saving in the woods and can't load that save from anywhere else then you have a problem.

FCOM requires a bashed patch to run correctly. And I'm not sure what you mean about instructions, but you might want to spend some time reading the Wrye Bash help html to read about the bashed patch options menu. From Wrye Bash, click the '?' icon at the bottom of the window.

gothemasticator

Reinstall stock clothing and equipment replacer for Robert Male Body..

And Make sure you download and installed

EVE Stock, EVE FRans, EVE OOO, EVE MMM, see if that helps any..

I have a Question about tags in FCOM i just found out that Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm & Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm is sopost to have ( Delev, Relev, Stats, Factions ) now before i found this out ive allways had just ( Delev, Relev, ) makes me wonder if there anythink else i should know about if iam missing any more tags when useing FCOM

Not sure where you found that info..

the Francesco's Leveledlit Creatures-Items Mod.esm should be tagged with this

{{ BASH:Invent, Delev, Relev, Actors.AIData,Actors.Stats, <- these you can safely use..

Optionial Stats (if using Mobs), Faction if using Frans Faction Creatures Addon, which are not used in FCOM}}

The latter is happening. Unfortunately going to the main menu doesn't help.



I think rebuilt the bashed patch correctly, but the save still isn't working. Here's what I did:

After clicking Rebuild Patch, I checked 'Merge Patches' and left all the Mergeable Mods in the box to the right checked. Then I checked Leveled Lists, and had the Automatic box checked. Then I ok'd, went to Saves, right clicked my save, and hit Update NPC Levels.

On the brighter side, I found out that starting a new char works fine. I may just do that seeing how I was only ~2 hours the one char I had.

ok now iam :confused: when you say Actors.AIData,Actors.Stats, do you mean NPC ID & NPC Stats becouse there is no such tag as Actors.AIData,Actors.Stats, and what abot OOO.esm or MMM.esm any tags that i need to put on them as well or are thay fine ? and i got the info. from 50 steps for crach free FCOM or somethink like that and here is my LO

00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.8]
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
** TNR - ALL RACES FINAL.esp
** TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
08 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
09 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0A Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0B DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
0D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0E Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0F Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
10 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
11 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
12 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
13 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
14 All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.8]
15 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.8]
++ All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp [Version 0.9.6]
16 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
17 MIS Low Wind.esp
18 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
19 WindowLightingSystem.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.78]
1A Lock Bash Omega.esp [Version 1.3]
1B BetterMusicSystem.esp
1C Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.3.4]
1D DLCHorseArmor.esp
1E DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
1F DLCOrrery.esp
20 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
21 DLCVileLair.esp
22 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
23 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
24 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
25 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
26 DLCThievesDen.esp
27 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
28 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.4]
++ Francesco's No Reduced Backwards Running.esp
29 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
2A Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
2B OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2C Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
2D FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2E Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
2F FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
30 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
31 OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.32.Final]
++ OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
++ OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
32 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
33 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
34 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
36 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.69]
37 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
38 Knights.esp
39 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
3A The Lost Spires.esp
3B Mighty Umbra.esp
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
3C DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.1]
3D SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp
3E EnchantmentRestore.esp
3F SaveSkillTrainingForLater.esp
40 Let There Be Darkness - Shivering Isles.esp
41 Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
42 Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp [Version 0.78]
43 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVStartspells.esp [Version 1.68EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
44 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
45 bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp [Version 1.68UV]
++ bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp [Version 1.68]
46 BubbleFx.esp
++ Real Lava 1.3.esp
++ bgMagicEVNoSummonGlow.esp [Version 1.62EV]
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
47 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
48 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
49 Streamline 3.1.esp

Anybody else had any problems with FCOM while using Better Cities (complete version) and Weather: All Natural?

I just downloaded and installed these today and something went wrong to the point where the game would crash on save loading or new game starting, and it persisted even after I deactivated the OMOD's for these, meaning I wound up having to redo my FCOM install completely...again :/

I got smart this time (I hope)...now that I installed all the FCOM stuff, I've made *TWO* backups of my data folder and marked them FCOM BACKUP DATA 1 and 2.

But anyway, I still need to know...do I have to do something special to get these two mods to run properly?

Here is the general list of omods I run:

uFCOM (Frans installed without living economy)
COBL (and FCOM patch)
Alternate Start Revamped
L.A.M.E. (Less Annoying Magic Experience) 1.7
Oblivion XP v415
Kyoma's Journal Mod
Light Spell Recolor (I like the torchlight version)
Map Loop and Oblivion Logo Replacement Video 1.0
Map Marker Overhaul 3.3.1
Realistic Physics and Force Package SI 3.0
SM Plugin Refurbish 1.21
Tamriel Travellers 1.39
Enhanced Economy 3.3.4 (used instead of Frans living economy)
Harvest Flora 3.01 (and SI addon)
DarkUId_DarN_16_OMOD_Version-11280

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Loose addons I generally use:
Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader (and FCOM patch) 1.2
ACCCGR (All capes, cloaks, clothes, gloves and robes) 2.1
Companion Neeshka 2.3
Bag of Alchemy beta 3
Dude wheres my horse
Race Balancing Project v10.52
Stealth Overhaul v1.3
Battlehorn Castle Enhanced.

------------

Official Plugins I use:
Fighters Stronghold
Horse Armor
Imperial Orrery

Thats it.

I use the latest BOSS to set my load order, and follow the BOSS recommendations for bash tags.

I think those are new to WB 278 version.

Well i just upgraded from 275 to wb 278b and i get this error every time i click on..

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "D:\Games\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 1210, in OnItemSelected
self.details.SetFile(modName)
File "D:\Games\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 1323, in SetFile
tagsStr = '\n'.join(sorted(modInfo.getBashTags()))
TypeError: sequence item 2: expected string, Path found

and when i click on Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "D:\Games\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 1210, in OnItemSelected
self.details.SetFile(modName)
File "D:\Games\Bethesda Softworks\Oblivion\Mopy\basher.py", line 1323, in SetFile
tagsStr = '\n'.join(sorted(modInfo.getBashTags()))
TypeError: sequence item 2: expected string, Path found

Awww HELP

Calm down ... you will have a new Wryebash within a day or so to play with. In the meantime, try this: select the offending mod (Frans offended me bigtime too), then go to Bash Tags in the lower right hand corner ... right click and at the very top it says 'automatic'. If it's selected, deselect it--or vice versa. You might have to close out Wryebash and bring it back up, and maybe do the same thing again... but it stopped Frans hollering for me. You will probably have to do the same thing for every mod that kicks up a fuss--OOO and UOP are two of them. (I didn't try this on 278b, so I'm not for sure it will work... but it's worth a try)

Known error in current version of Wrye Bash. See the thread for more details. Won't affect your ability to make FCOM work, though.

gothemasticator

Previous versions haven't had a problem, although both have had updates released within the last week.
It may be an idea to have a scan through the latter posts in their official threads to see if anyone else has reported issues.

Alright, I lied. I thought my installation went off without a hitch. And it has, mostly. But I have a couple of funky texture issues.

First off, my potions have no icon in the inventory...they may be invisible in-game too? (How would I know? ) What deals with this so I can look into it?

The other is crates, once opened, keep a normal wooden frame but it looks like it's wrapped around a royal purple box. Again, what part of FCOM (or subsequent mod) could be the culprit here? EDIT: It appears it hits some of the wooden barrels, too.

I do have a fresh install...I'd also post my load order if you really want...but I warn you, it's large And I have nothing installed to modify potions or boxes, unless it's part of FCOM (obviously, it is). I went ahead and added my other mods because I *thought* everything was fine.

Those are from OOO (potion replacers and Harvest Containers) so you're missing resources from it. Make sure you've installed 1.33 Complete and patched with 1.34 Beta 5. If you have, see Known Issues with 1.33 in the OP of http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1069109&hl=.

EDIT: Also, I've had no issues with FCOM, Better Cities and All Natural. Albeit, I haven't updated to the very latest releases yet, but I can't really see why they would cause such issues when run together.

I don't know about the potions but for the crates it's most likely coming from OOO(which contains Harvest Containers).
Either you didn't install the mesh/textures properly, or you didn't install OOO patch 1.34b5 or BSA Redirection is not active.
Or it may be something else altogether .

Yes I know, I'm very helpful .

@Rainshine, resource files are from OOO. Check the opening post of the current OOO thread for known issues for version 1.33
I'd seriously suggest cutting back to the basic FCOM installation before attempting to add further mods.
If you don't get that right troubleshooting a large mod list will become increasingly dififficult.

edit - just gotta hit refresh on occassions before I hit send.

Interesting...

Looking at OMOD I do definitely have both OOO 1.33 and the 1.34 patch, and they're activated. -headscratch- Since that's automated, I don't think it's user error.




What's BSA Redirection, precious? >.>; I even did a search on the FCOM site and didn't find anything on it.

I will tell you but I have a demand first, don't call me precious .
In OBMM click on utilities=>Archive Invalidation then make sure it's on BSA redirection and click update now.

:P

Well, it is turned on EDIT: and already was. Happily, 9o% of my other mods are strictly cosmetic and are also OMODs, so it's not that big a deal to deactivate them. The other 10% don't change gameplay (portable tent, see you sleep n such). So I guess maybe I'll try to find the OOO thread (bad link on the front?) and see if I find anything there. Otherwise I'll just back up and reinstall FCOM from the top.

When rebuilding the bashed patch do i need to use "Import Stats" and are there other categories i need to be worrying about other than "Merge Patches" and "Leveled Lists"?