Request for Games for Windows LIVE to be incorperated as an option in New Vegas like Fallout 3
This is not a thread for bashing GFWL but for asking for consideration of an optional service.


As in Fallout 3 GFWL was completely optional. It proved to be a great way to bring PC gaming to the next level with a Service that encompases XBOX 360, Windows Gaming and Soon Mobile.
This was a great way to purchase DLC and Now with the Games On Demand Service another outlet to sell the game. If you would like to see Games for Windows LIVE included in NEW VEGAS I encourage you to post here. I for one am pro GFWL as like the interface and features. As GFWL is getting better I think it deserves a second look. Thanks

Regards,
eastmanblues


For the devs and publishers





http://www.microsoft.com/games/en-us/aboutgfw/pages/gflwpublish.aspx
What is Games for Windows - LIVE?

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I agree with this, Since Fallout 3 was GFWL enabled, I feel it would be a good idea to continue this proccess, as if it isnt, then there are going to be a bunch of people that wont purchase the game simply due to the lack of it not being Live Enabled. I my self would be one of those people. The gfwl.com forums have a current thread actually talking about this desicion, and it has actually become a pritty well descussed topic.

Please consider making Fallout: New Vegas Live enabled, as you will end up recieving alot of good support with the community if done so.

Well, while I don't give a smeg about the achievements, I do believe that since this is a continuation of the same series, it should be consistent and be LIVE enabled. It is the logical thing to do.

But regardless, if the game is as good as it's predecessors, I will be buying it regardless.



However, I will join the fight for support of LIVE. It is a growing entity that will eventually be what makes it great on the 360.

I too agree that many users will benefit from the easy way to add DLC and patches to the game.

Besides, I do hate when devs flip back and forth with the way they release a game.

Just a few preemptive reminders:

Please don't turn this in to a - it's fine to discuss the matter but if this becomes a list of people posting just to show their support for or against this it will be locked. On that note I know GFWL is very unpopular for some but that doesn't mean you can trash someone's thread about wanting GFWL support - please keep this discussion civil.


Speaking personally I don't have a problem with Live being included as an option. I really disliked using it to get the DLC - every time I tried using it I encountered numerous problems (I wasn't even able to resolve the issues I encountered with Point Lookout and Mothership Zeta). I also never used it while I was playing. However I understand why some people like it so I don't have a problem with GFWL functionality providing I don't have to use it

Thanks for this


Here is a guide intended to help users who have purchased the Fallout 3 DLC through GFWL http://forums.gamesforwindows.com/t/5673.aspx This has helped many people so far so if you aware check it out. :fallout:

Isn't that what I was trying to emphasize Hungry Donner?
I am like minded in this.
I don't necessarily care if it is or isn't there, but enough people want it, and I believe that since the franchise has gone this far with the implementation of the use of LIVE, they may as well continue to use it.
Like you said, you don't have to use it.
Me, I don't need achievements, but honestly, they are amusing to a degree when I do unlock them, so they have their place. Maybe not for the cheevo-scavengers, why buy a game just for this reason to me is a waste of money, you need the game to be good, period.

I am posting for support as well. Fallout 3 was my first LIVE enabled game, and it went flawlessly. I loved the way Bethesda handled DLC. It was very easy and painless. Having LIVE on New Vegas would be great, and would be another day one purchase from me for Bethesda. LIVE adds so much to the game. Not just achievements, but friends list, friend tracking, messages, and so much more. Also, all of these things are linked for anyone who has an Xbox 360.

i call shananigans. you are not going to avoid purchasing a game simply cause its not GFWL. that is just hyperbole and know it. if mass effect 3 or the next witcher game or whatever game your looking forward to isnt GFWL you expect anyone to believe you not going to play your most anticipated game simply cause you cant get "cheevments" come on.

also to the person that posted about the easy to install DLCs........ :facepalm: were you around when they first released the DLCs in LIVE. people like myself having to purchase extra points to have enough points to get a DLC. the wrong version being put up and people having to redownload. having them isntalled in some mysterious folder that you had to hunt for if you wanted to mod them or run mods with them. what a nightmare.

on a side note its also in bethesdas interest to not use the service cause piracy for the DLCs shot up after the disastrous initial releases. bethesda lost alot of money on that. not to mention that many people including myself had issues with GFWL causing CTDs. hypothetically people i know will pay for DLCs from the developers site ala oblivion or morrowind or even steam which is far supeiror to GFWL. geez, there was a time i would never have said that about steam. however if it has to be purchased ala GFWL again you can bet the torrents will be rolling again.

all i know is that it better be optional otherwise the first thing im downloading will be a LIVE disabler.

edit: i would love this to be changed to a poll. and if i sound a bit irritable and irate its because i have a bad taste in my mouth concerning GFWL especially having to purchase extra points. it didnt come out till days later that you could get specifice points off of some THIRD party site. exact point matching should have been offered from the get go by microsoft or at least info on the other websites. i think i still have 100 or 200 points that i havent used yet.

You'd be surprised who would or wouldn't buy a game based on merit. For example, millions of people eat up Valve games, even though they are above average at best, but are championed to be the best thing ever. Achievements are nice, as they add replay value, but are not required.

The DLC isn't hard to figure out at all. It goes into a specific directory, that you can change, and will always be there. There were also initial problems on Xbox LIVE, but they were fixed in a hasty manor. Basically, having to redownload something isn't all that big of a deal. You'd be surprised how many people have problems with Steam, unfortunately, they are shut up very quickly but fanbois.

For your last point, it wouldn't help you then, but Microsoft has different values up now. You can buy them in 400 if you like. You can also purchase with a credit card if you wish.

i just refuse to believe that anyone is going to avoid buying a game because its not GFWL. thats just plain silly and shallow.

my reference to steam was the system itself not the games on it which are basically the same as any store ive been too with a few missing exceptions. (i prefer having a hard copy whenever i get a chance.) yes steam svcked at first but if you look at the GFWL forums and the steam forums you will notice alot more support and quicker reactions from the steam forums than from the LIVE ones. i quick check showed more techinical help topics in LIVES than in steams forums.

as for the points and the credit card that is something that should have been done from day one. LIVE had been around for a number of years before fallout 3 was released and fallout 3 was not the first LIVE game on pc. the points system was clearly to get people to pay more for a product through deceit and nothing more. only AFTER they recieved tons of complaints and probably a tounge lashing from bethesda about lost income do to increased piracy did they change their tune. its like vista all over again. release crap, deny that its crap and then fix it up after x number of people complain and continue to deny crappiness. i want the old system back. i pay money to the developer and i get the content from the developer. end of story. no strange third pary to go through with stupid points.

thank you for the info on the credit card though at least i can get the DLCs and then disable LIVE if they go that route again. i just want my money to go to bethesda and obsidian not microsoft.

edit: they also took their sweet time changing the values cause they still had the goofy points amounts for the second DLC which was probably a good month after the first one.

How much is Microsoft paying you?

There was no more piracy than there was for Oblivion. The advantage of using GFWL is it is tied to your account. You can redownload it as much as you want, the same can be said for Steam. As far as I know, you couldn't do that with Oblivion, but I could be wrong. I was under the impression that Bethesda was happy with the way DLC was handled.

I liked Vista, but I only used it after SP1 was released, so I missed the bad stages. I honestly don't have a problem with any Microsoft product I use.

I'm surprised that there are people who actually support GFWL.

Well, it's good you are standing up for yourself. Let's the community get known. However, I feel as if you are guys are a very small fraction of the community. A lot of people buy the PC version of Bethesda games because they know of how easy they are to mod and the great modding communities(look at Oblivion's). Eventually, you need to get 3rd party software(FOSE for exmaple) for some mods, and for better mods. FOSE is a great tool. However, it disables Games for Windows LIVE. And when some of the greatest mods require FOSE, or OBSE, or whatever script extender, most modders wouldn't care about letting go of GFWL. Hell, I never even thought about using GFWL.

And then, there are things I don't like about it, and which most PC gamers don't(IMO) like it about either. First of all, it feels like some Xbox LIVE thing just tacked on to the game. It feels like it is trying to "consolize" PC gaming, which is a big no-no. But wait, you might be thinking why I don't say the same thing about STEAM if I play L4D2(and other Valve games). Well, it's mainly because Valve supports PC gaming a lot. STEAM is an awesome service, which is easy to use, easy to navigate, and has some awesome sales(I bought L4D2 for 50% off and Mount and Blade for $5). And, Valve is willing to change the game to allow third party modifications. I know that with Oblivion(and probably Morrowind, dunno about Fallout 3), they changed the exe to allow it to me modded. That is why I love Valve, they put the PC community first. Has Microsoft done anything when it comes to the incompatibilities with GFWL and FOSE?

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VividNinjaScar - Well I appreciate what you are trying to do. Please do not feed the trolls as it will help them turn this in to another h8te thread. Simply just ignore them. We do more good at the http://forums.gamesforwindows.com

To the Fin OP: I drink coffee too. You seem smart enough so $12 TBH (that being said I do what I do for the love of the game just take a look at my posts on http://forums.gamesforwindows.com)

I hate that [censored] word with a passion. Games are going mainstream, there is nothing console about it. If anything, you should be thanking consoles for making it so popular. I play my games on a computer, as I have most of my life, but to say that PC games getting streamlined is a bad thing would be just disingenuous. The games are changing, for the better. It is also hilarious to me that you are talking about consolizing things on a Bethesda forums.



Valve is a business. They got lucky with Steam, so they are riding with it. If Steam would have failed, I can guarantee you they would have jumped to consoles. For example, when SEGA failed at making consoles, they went software only. Microsoft got the 360, they diverted most of their efforts there. Nintendo tapped into the casual market, and they are still milking it.

The only problem I have with digital distribution is how you get nothing in return. You buy the game, at full price, but get no physical copy. The costs should be lower, a lot lower, due to bandwidth being inexpensive, or at least mail you a physical copy when you purchase it at full price.

As long as it is optional, and I can buy expansions on physical media a 'la Fallout 3, go ahead and include it. I would be kind of surprised if they didn't, really.

:laugh: be thankful that you missed out on windows millenium then. it was even worse than vista. dont get me wrong im loving windows 7, just like i had no issues with XP......they seem to switch back and forth between bad and good products. im still convinced that vista was just a huge beta for windows 7. when fallout was first released some people put up screen captures of the number of people downloading DLC torrents from piracy sites. there is a huge increase from the initial release and the the first DLCs released. ironically there were more people downloading the DLCs than the $50 game. this can only be explained by the botched early delivery.

as for the consolizing thing that is a legitimate complaint. anyone who played the first halo and then found "aim assist" on the later editions can attest to that. not to mention the general easiness of games these days. im in my 30s now i should barely be able to see the screen and eat my oatmeal without dribbling it down my chin but games keep getting easier and easier to play.

as to the people that keep linking to the GFWL site i actually looked on there and i suggest everyone else looks on there . someone makes a post about a negative issue and the response is to not complain about it there. its the GFWL forum...........were they supposed to complain on the Hungarian Sausage Unions website. from some of the posts i read through it appears to be a regular occurrence....basically dont post anything negative about GFWL we only like happy thoughts here. im suspecting an MS drive to drum up support for GFWL. maybe im just paranoid.

as for assuming people like me are trolls cause we want to play a game without having unnecessary software installed on our computer........well call me the biggest troll of them all.

It has already been confirmed that there are no plans to make this a Live title.

Just Bold and big so no one would miss it as they skim my post......

At this stage of the development, I am not sure they could add it in, at least in the sense that it would benificial to the game. I would think that to get the most out of the connection, that game would have to be developed from the beginning with at least a nod towards the Live service. It is also not known at this time if there will be any DLCs for NV. However, there are other alternatives to distributing the DLCs, although most of them would cause a delay in getting the new content to the console players. There are more digital distribution methods availible to PC users than to the locked down consoles being limited to their parent companies On Line component. Perhaps the MS Marketplace, or Sony alternative, can offer DLCs outside of Live if there is no Live component to them (achievments for example)

I personally would like to see an alternative to the DLC system that was used for Fallout 3 Not that what was used for Fallout 3 would have to go away, just an alternative for folks who want it, or need it or who do not want to use Live or Sony's service.

I really hope the developers look to include GFWL as an OPTIONAL component.

Although I understand other people had difficulties with Fallout 3 and GFWL, for me the experience went flawlessly. I purchased all the add-ons through the service a day or two after the release of each without any difficulties. It also allowed me to track my progress in the game against friends playing on the 360 and the PC.

The lack of GFWL in Fallout: New Vegas won't stop me buying the game as I love the fallout series, I'll just purchase on 360 rather than PC.

Actually there are alot of people that wont buy a game simply because it doesnt have the GFWL title. I am actually one of those people, reason being is im already planing on getting this for the 360, and if i can gain more achievements by also getting it on the PC then I will, other then that I dont see a point in buying the game a second time.
There are alot of people that will purchase a game a second time, just cause of achievements for both platforms. So at this point, with no option for it being GFWL enabled, im just going to end up buying this on the 360 only and not PC simply cause for me, its not worth it. I love gameplay and I love achievements, so replayablility is key for me as well as a good story line.
simply put: No achievements = No purchase.

Again if you go to the GFWL forums, you will find that there are people out there that wont purchase a game simply cause of no support for GFWL. You can take what you want out of this but the fact of the matter is, People support what they like, even if you may not like it or understand why, everyone has there own reasons and opinions.

The way I see it, it's a Microsoft conspiracy which attempts to deliberately sabotage PC gaming industry to discourage people from purchasing PC games and buy X-Box 360 systems and games instead. It imitates X-Box LIVE which has a monthly fee but it's free, the price difference effects the quality difference between the two, and GfWL should be avoided like a plague. Any game with LIVE tag on the cover is a no-buy for me, except I desperately want to play that game or LIVE can be disabled, my country isn't even officially supported by LIVE (even though LIVE games are sold here and there's high demand) and I have to register with a fake address. So much to play a LEGAL game you LEGALLY purchase in a LEGAL store.

But still, if there's an option to bypass it legally and completely, including optional ways to purchase the DLC from Bethesda's website or as retail disks, I won't mind it. If you guys to get shafted by Microsoft's abysmal "service", it's your problem.

As stated several times now, Fallout: New Vegas is a Games for Windows title -- there's nothing planned for GFWL.

I would have liked to see GFWL, I only have two GFWL titles (Kane & Lynch and Fallout 3) but I like the service it offer and wish more games took advantage of it as long it's optional, as it is with the two games I mentioned.

so you basically saying that your going to give up superior graphics.......use of mouse keyboard or controller if thats your preference, moddability (which is a huge thing for bethesda games which are designed to be moddable) all for the sake of showing your friends that you killed 25 ghouls in ten seconds. are you serious. :blink: think about that for a bit.

you also have to understand hyperbole........there was a time i swore id never buy a game off of steam, ever..........well now i have several steam games. saying and doing are two seperate things.

Umm, steam is much better as a gaming community, it has achievements, friends lists, you can go to a menu IN GAME to talk to your friends, there is multi chat, voice chat, daily news, great deals on games, good support, they sell for a decent price if the game is old, *gasps for breath* less screw ups then windows live (Ive learned the hard way), very simple, you can order online and instant get it in a spilt second, EVERYTHING IS BETTER ON STEAM. I am not saying that GWFL svcks, it's just not as good as Steam. BY THE WAY if you get hl2 then you can get all sorts of game mods that you can get for free, they are great games likes Zombie Panic Source, Zombie Master, Dystopia, that you can only get for the PC, on steam. They also have one of the best online server searchs. [censored] me and my bashing