not sure if troll, or just dosn't bother to understand what I'm trying to say

I meantioned before that some dragons don't attack, what I was implying is that dragons in the game are programed to attack you.

I'm not trolling. I just think it's a game with a strong premise and lore on how you're supposed to relate to these dragons from the start. I don't understand why someone would buy something like this, if they're opposed to killing dragons. You have a lot of freedom and roleplaying options, but this isn't one of them. You are shoehorned into having dragons as enemies. Not almost shoehorned, not slightly shoehorned.. just completely shoehorned. You will kill dragons and LIKE it. Or you will turn the game back and sell it. There's not really much else to do.

edit: Besides, I'm pretty sure you're trolling. You're the one with the dovahkiin avatar, yet making threads like this. It's gotta be a joke.

I don't feel bad for them at all.

I don't care if they were near extinct.
The only reason why the citizens of Skyrim killed Dragons is because Dragons KILLED THEM.

I find it rewarding after killing them.

I don't see anywhere on the the title where it says dragon slayer all it says is The Elder Scrolls Skyrim. I don't get people like you who just assume that just because I have a small problem with an aspect of the game and want to know if anyone feels the same way should just not buy the game to begin with. First off like I said before I didn't buy it I borrowed it from my step brother. Second of all I never said in any of my posts that I feel killing dragons is a travesty that deserves nation wide attention. all I said is I feel bad for doing so as in I feel remorse because many of them are just following a corrupt ruler, and I feel like since, oh I don't know, you can talk to dragons there could at least be options to talk to them at least before fighting.

how is having an avatar picture trolling??? That doesn't make sense, I picked it because it appealed to me. It's not a picture of someone decapitating a dragon the picture is of a man, that's all. Nothing in any of my posts could even be considered trolling, I haven't insulted anyone or made fun of them or suggest they don't buy the game or anything.

That avatar.. or rather, the live action trailer.. pretty much conveys a lot about dragons in this game, and what you'll be doing. You've even chosen the very scene where he's facing off the dragon. How can I not see your words as a joke? You obviously know a lot about what the game is about, and yet... you're here. Probably pulling everyone's chain.

actually that's when he's walking through the town, not when he's fighting the dragon.

The point is, everyone's running away in that town, and he's the one guy walking towards the problem.

As for being friendly to dragons, there's small exceptions for that too, but that's all they are. Exceptions. Be happy enough with those options, I guess. What else do you want? A whole game like that?

I felt bad for killing parthunaax so i created a new character with the same name and appearance as the one i killed parthunaax with..Kinda restarted

no the point is you're saying my avatar (which by the way has no reason to even be brought up in this thread) is evidence that I am trolling and is a "joke". If you see my avatar as what you described than fine, but that in no way means that everyone including myself sees it the way you do. it's just a picture.

what I want is a reasonable discussion not a bunch of insults. It's perfectly reasonable to feel like things should have been different. Plenty of people feel that way. My aim with this thread is to see if anyone felt the same way as I do, which there are people who have had similar thoughts. Regardless of wither the people answering the thread had the same opinions as I do or not I want to discuss it. which is why people make threads to begin with. To have discussions and debates.

Being a dragonborn basicly means you're a dragon in a mortal body, so I see little injustice in one dragon killing another. However I sometimes wish that, being dragonborn, you could have the ability to turn into a dragon (kind of like a weredragon) and be able learn more about the thu'um from another dragon or perhaps find a diplomatic solution to the confilct, like rallying all the other dragons to fight against Alduin and his remaining followers in an epic dragon war. But, knowing Bethesda, something that original will NEVER happen without mods.

It's not just a picture. It's irony. That's what I'm observing.


When have I not been reasonable? Your argument is based totally on emotions and your values. None of which I'm obligated to care about. Not to say I'm necessarily against your values, but there is no place for me to address them. That's your thing and there's no discussion to be had about it.

What I've given you is reason. I've asked you why you would buy a game with a premise on dragon killing, if you're so opposed to it? This is a logical question to ask someone. It's not an "insult" to ask it.

He's not saying he doesn't enjoy the game! He's not saying that killing dragons ruins the game! Try actually reading his points.

He is not opposed to dragon slaying. He just finds it sad, he can empathise with the dragons because he's playing the game with some thought instead of mindlessly following quest objectives. Saying that killing a dragon is sad is perfectly reasonable, in the same way that killing a panda which would have otherwise killed you might be seen as sad. It's a beautiful (and endangered) creature which had to die in order to save your own life. He's allowed to think the death of a dragon is tragic - I too share this view.

What he (and I) is not saying is that this game is terrible because it makes you kill dragons. That would be a silly thing to say. People need to learn the difference between the premises of 'I don't want to kill dragons' vs 'I find it sad when I kill a dragon.' They are very very distinct.

The dragons in Skyrim look badass, but I also feel sorry to have to kill 'em. If I would have the option, I wouldn't. Maybe I even would fight on their sides.

that seems to be your opinion, to me it's not irony it's just a picture of the hero of the game (not even that, it's an actor technically because there's no set race that is Dovakiin). What I'm saying is it's just apicture of a guys back that's all there's no significance to it.

how is your arguments any different from mine?? Yours are also from emotion, your answer is based off of your values to kill something if it kills something else or trys to kill you.

your hole argument is unreasonable you're basically telling me

1. Dragon killing is the only thing this game has to offer

2. you're stupid for playing this game if you feel a little bad for killing something in it

3. you're (again) assuming that I want to start a make-a-wish dragon foundation because I had no other choice but to kill the dragons I killed.

all I said is I feel bad for killing them because all they really are is slaves, humans do the same thing where we turn against each other because of one persons voice. just look at the civil war quest line. I played as a Nord so I ended up killing my fellow Nords, I feel a bit bad about it because they were misled but not going to stop the nation just to address it. it's human nature to do these things but I've yet to see agreement about how every being in Temeril desurved to be killed because each race has done the same thing as the dragons have done.

example 1:
example 2:

I can tell you haven't read through my comments because I've adressed the failed argument of "why by the game if you don't like something about it"
all I can really say is read Glorious' comments.

Dragon killing is my favorite part of the game. Especially with the deadlier dragons mod, since it is almost always epic. There is also such joyful irony in consuming something that should be consuming you.


I did think twice about Parthy, but I wasn’t going to give him a chance to go rogue shortly after my funeral. He was too smart for his own good, so he died.

Tiber Septim betrayed a close friend of his on his quest to achieve supremacy and divinity. His bastardy actions allowed him to ascend and the world of TES exists because of it. Preserving the world and saving the men/mer civilization is more important than doing the “right” thing.

I would actually now side with the dragons in destroying the world. So many characters are dumb and contradict thier previous stances on things from quest to quest or minute to minute without much reason. Especially when one person says we must look past our petty differences to fight the dragons then immediatley says you must kill one the most helpfull characters during the quest even though he is the sole reason we will succeed he did thing a while ago we don't agree with and is completly changed now.

So you killed him just because you assumed he would turn later on? But what if he stayed good and eventually helped other dragons find the right path?

With absolutely no offence to any of you, this is like deciding 'hey, lets wipe out every single Arab, German, Japanese, Russian, Roman, Egyptian, Jew and North Korean, just to make sure they dont try anything funny again later on, as you never know...Ah, you know what? forget it! let's kill every human on the planet, they are too dangerous."

That just sounds so utterly wrong, after all...EVERYONE and every race, everywhere has done very bad things, but to want to not only kill them all, but to destroy their souls?....no....no no no!


Becides, I don't like the blades attitudes; If The Blades had a more compationate, even fear-of-the-unknown reason for killing Paarthunax, rather than say 'you're either with us or against us' and "we're not talking until he dies", then I would understand their reasons for demanding such an action; however, their arrogant, stuck-up, bossy attitude instantly turned me off (I also happen to love dragons), so I never sided with them.

It's funny really, the dragons of old wanted to kill all non-dragons in the world, yet the blades want to kill all dragons in the world....they have the exact same reasons (to survive!). The Thalmor also have the same attitudes to others, to dominate or kill all non-Altmer, and I dare say other races have had the same reasons too; The Dunmer used to keep Argonian and Khajiit slaves in the past. I for one HATE slavery! but would I murder every single Dunmer because of their culture? No way!

One good way of looking at this is to imagine that YOU are a dragon; how would you deal with this situation? To you, you'd see the Bipedals in the same way as they see cows or rabbits and so on (I.e you're 'better' than them)...you are not 'evil' for wanting to get rid of them if they dont do what you say, just like they aren't 'evil' for wanting to get rid of...say foxes, crocodiles, sharks or wild boars....it's all about the will to survive and not be dominated or 'enslaved' by others.

Anyhow, if you want to kill Paarthunax, then it's entirely up to you.... I however, let Paarthunax live; he's my Dova-bro!

Spoilers people, i bet someone reading this hasn't beat the game your kind of dumping out a bunch of story info

Your real life compareson is flawed. Regular men/mer cant kill Dragons, but dragons can kill them.
In real life some uneducated 15 year old goat herder with a cheap AK can kill a Ranger.
In TES universe an army of elite soldiers can’t permanently kill a Dragon, only the Dragonborn can. If a time when there is no Dragonborn should come, Dragons will have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They are immortal and can wait thousands of years for that time to arrive. Considering that they started this new offensive, it is better to use it as an excuse to wipe them out and move on to other threats to Nirn.

+1 good to see that there are reasonable people.

well technically I've seen guards kill dragons and even my companion Lidya has killed a few dragons. sure they can't svck up the soul but the dragon is technically dead. Pluse that's not really fair considering all they really have in TES is sticks swords and arrows to fight with not a gun. I'm not sure how long dragons stay down once a regular person kills them. I think it was thousands of years when the previouse dragon slayers defeated the dragons, which would mean there's plenty of time for people to train to kill dragons if they decided to attack.

I don't really think that's possible I mean I doubt the "gods" of the world would allow that, and if the dragons decide to work with humans then the dragon born isn't really needed unless for interpreter reasons I suppose. and who's to say Dragons can't help with future threats to the world? I don't think that's morel to say "hey look you see that dragon over there that's the source of all your problems lets wipe their entire species off the map even though it may have not done anything to us." but you know something throughout my whole entire play through a dragon has only attacked 3 or 4 populated areas (including the first area you fight a dragon in). and whenever I'm hired to kill a dragon all I see are mammoths bones and deer and what not, I hardly see any sentient bones- some dead people here and there but probably because they were trying to attack the dragon to begin with.
everyone has the ability to change if you've played Mass Effect you have the same choice wipe a species off the face of the Earth or forgive them and give them a second chance.

Ummm sorry to rain on your guys parade but it's a video game, so no I Don't feel sorry killing anything in video games. Accept for children which we can't kill.

I know this is just a game, but the situation involving Paarthunax is more of a morale decision.

I just hope that Bethesda make him living canon, as his admitance of his past wrongs and how he seeks forgiveness is more than enough to let the past go; after all, it's not like he did those things 20 years ago. He did them thousands of years ago.

I myself have a problem with letting go of the past. I have a grudge against someone who hurt me when I was 5; A pavement worker twisted my ear on the school grounds just because I stepped on the footpath...to this day, I want violent revenge, yet I'll never find him...but let's say I did finally catch him, and he was now an 80 yr old man, and he flat out appologised to me, then i cant do anything to him...I'm the type that gets angry quickly, but then forgives if the guilty party admits their wrongs, otherwise I'd be the bad guy for refusing to let a past wrong that the other side admitted go.

Peace, everyone!

So what if it's a game? It's made more enjoyable by investing actual emotions into it and engaging with it's characters. Otherwise you're just pressing buttons in certain orders while staring at a screen of pixels instead of experiencing the story.