I feel bad for killing dragons

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:10 am

I think all of you people who refer to dragons as magnificent creatures diminish them more than I could. lol.. Technically, they are creatures, but they're sentient, advanced people as well. They're not parrots. You talk about them like they're tigers in a zoo, which means you look down on them still. I recognize them for what they are.

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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:14 am

Yes, it's kind of sad that they have to follow Alduin and thus screw up their second chance at life. This time permanently. I'm always pleased to see a dragon flying overhead without attacking anything.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:08 am

I'm amazed the dragons inspire so much hatred. Yes they're tyrannical and domineering creature's whose very nature is to enslave and control. That's not to say they're not also worthy of respect. They seem to me to be a very beautiful and honourable race, regardless of their take on humanity. Does nobody else agree? If you had the choice between co-existance between humans and dragons, or total extinction of the dragons, would you honestly choose to kill them all? Seems barbaric, especially considering the capacity they have to change their ways, as shown in certain dragons in the past.

As for this 'If you don't like killing dragons, don't play the game' mentality... it's such a shallow response I'm amazed it even came up. As a gameplay mechanic, killing dragons is perfectly enjoyable. However, Elder Scrolls games aren't just about gameplay. They're also about roleplay. I am able to empathise with the dragons and pity their deaths - this doesn't mean I'm going to snap my Skyrim disc in two and set up a 'Save the Dragons' charity. Any character who takes as many lives as the Dovakhiin does throughout the game (human and otherwise) without any remorse is a cold-hearted bastard. Maybe that's the kind of character you like to play, and I can appreciate that. However, I like to play a character with some humanity. When he kills a Stormcloak soldier, he feels bad about it, since essentially that soldier was just an honest man fighting for his home. I find this empathy extends to the dragons. They are a race misled by Alduin into an evil fate. Killing them is a necessity, yes. But still a tragic one.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:30 pm

I do hope a future DLC allows more friendlier dragons to interact with.

As many of us said before, yes, the dragons wanted to enslave or kill other races, but hasn't everyone tried that allready?

Seriously, hasn't every single race, culture, nationality, religion, politics and so forth tried to wipe out other races or enslave them?

As for Paarthunax, he is well liked because not only does he help you, but he also has a dark past that he admitted and seeks redemption for; the gods most likely have forgiven him (since it was in his nature to act like that anyhow), and he now meditates in peace and teaches anyone who visits him his philosopical wisdom.

After all, in order to know how to be good, we have to have known evil and defeated it; in other words, we better ourselves by beating our own flaws.

This makes killing Paarthunax, just because of what he did in the past and has not only regretted it, but also seeking penance, an extremely evil thing to do. This is why so many people flat out refuse to kill him....The blades reasons are flawed and filled with petty revenge.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:16 am

I do hope a future DLC allows more friendlier dragons to interact with.

As many of us said before, yes, the dragons wanted to enslave or kill other races, but hasn't everyone tried that allready?

Seriously, hasn't every single race, culture, nationality, religion, politics and so forth tried to wipe out other races or enslave them?

As for Paarthunax, he is well liked because not only does he help you, but he also has a dark past that he admitted and seeks redemption for; the gods most likely have forgiven him (since it was in his nature to act like that anyhow), and he now meditates in peace and teaches anyone who visits him his philosopical wisdom.

After all, in order to know how to be good, we have to have known evil and defeated it; in other words, we better ourselves by beating our own flaws.

This makes killing Paarthunax, just because of what he did in the past and has not only regretted it, but also seeking penance, an extremely evil thing to do. This is why so many people flat out refuse to kill him....The blades reasons are flawed and filled with petty revenge.

The problem is, they aren't friendly. I am not even sure they can talk. Isn't their voice suppose to be the thu'um? So that would mean all they do is cast shouts, to put it more clearly. So trying to talk to a dragon would only result in it using its thu'um on you. Unless some large lore buff wants to correct I am pretty sure in TES you can't talk things over with a dragon nor is there any dragon that would in its nature be nice. Unless you get to talk to akatosh or something, that's only exception I can see.

Or here is a better way to look at it. You can't talk to the grey beards because their thu'um would rip you to pieces. Therefor normal conversation with them is out of the question. And yes you "learn" how to talk to them as you gain power. But I am sure dragons have a thu'um far more powerful then any grey beard since grey beards had to learn it and it is the dragons born tongue.

And to all this, just because they are mean doesn't mean you have to kill them all. So you would rather watch them commit genocide on basically every living thing on the planet before you would defend yourself as well as everything else? Makes total sense
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:43 am

This makes killing Paarthunax, just because of what he did in the past and has not only regretted it, but also seeking penance, an extremely evil thing to do. This is why so many people flat out refuse to kill him....The blades reasons are flawed and filled with petty revenge.

Paarthunax was guilty of "horrible atrocities" in the past. I can only assume this means he was responsible for a lot of death. Doesn't this warrent his own death? If he killed your own family, how much "penance" or "regret" would there have to be for you to forget about it. I think the Blades are justified in seeking revenge for those families who are no longer alive to seek it themselves.

Think about it in real life terms. If someone commited a murder would they be considered off the hook if they were REALLY sorry, enough time passed, or they did a lot of good deeds to seek pennance? Probably not.

I don't see any flaw in seeking revenge in this case.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:51 am

Paarthunax was guilty of "horrible atrocities" in the past. I can only assume this means he was responsible for a lot of death. Doesn't this warrent his own death? If he killed your own family, how much "penance" or "regret" would there have to be for you to forget about it. I think the Blades are justified in seeking revenge for those families who are no longer alive to seek it themselves.

Think about it in real life terms. If someone commited a murder would they be considered off the hook if they were REALLY sorry, enough time passed, or they did a lot of good deeds to seek pennance? Probably not.

I don't see any flaw in seeking revenge in this case.

The key difference however, is that if Paarthurnax had not done what he did, the present and future as we know it likely would not exist. The dragons would never have been defeated. Everyone in the present that is alive, indirectly owes their existence to him and those he had taught. He may or may not have been responsible for the deaths of many, but he is also responsible for many more having the possibility of even being born.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:56 am

Wth do you people even buy this game for? It's one thing if this was some minor element, but dragonslaying is the premise. lol
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:55 am

The key difference however, is that if Paarthurnax had not done what he did, the present and future as we know it likely would not exist. The dragons would never have been defeated. Everyone in the present that is alive, indirectly owes their existence to him and those he had taught. He may or may not have been responsible for the deaths of many, but he is also responsible for many more having the possibility of even being born.

It will come down to personal opinion I guess. Many people believe that even if you help save the world it doesn't absolve you of horrible crimes. Others like yourself feel it does.

Personally if someone killed my parents then saved the world, I would be grateful but in the end I would still want revenge.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:39 am

It will come down to personal opinion I guess. Many people believe that even if you help save the world it doesn't absolve you of horrible crimes. Others like yourself feel it does.

Personally if someone killed my parents then saved the world, I would be grateful but in the end I would still want revenge.

Opinion, yes, but the facts are not really disputable. The ability to exact revenge hinges entirely on the world still existing, thus, one would in that case owe them for both the world's continued existence, and allowing the opportunity to exact vengeance on them at all. In Paarth's case, if he had not helped mortals, he would be free of the mortals' justice because the only justice that exists would be that of dragonkind. Whether someone chooses to acknowledge that is another matter.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:51 am

I feel bad for killing dragons...

WHAT! YOU BETTER KILL THAT DRAGON!
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:39 am

I realize that Dragons in the game will always attack you no matter

this isnt true, ive encountered many non-hostile dragons that just circle around me roaring
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:48 am

I'm amazed the dragons inspire so much hatred. Yes they're tyrannical and domineering creature's whose very nature is to enslave and control. That's not to say they're not also worthy of respect.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:07 am

I do too sometimes, but for the most part I don't.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:29 am

And to all this, just because they are mean doesn't mean you have to kill them all. So you would rather watch them commit genocide on basically every living thing on the planet before you would defend yourself as well as everything else? Makes total sense

We're not saying we don't want to kill them. Obviously saving the world takes precedence. We're saying that it's sad that saving the world requires the destruction of an entire race.
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Post » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:30 pm

I have no remorse in killing dragons, particularly since they attack my character, my followers, and of course try to slaughter whole towns.

Killing Giants however is somewhat more questionable.

Also I've been starting to feel some remorse about even killing some bandits. It seems like some bandits are actually engaged in decent activities, like harvesting mammoths or mining, or sometimes just want to be left alone in their settlements
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:58 pm

This is like feeling bad after killing some thalmor.

You actually compare the evil, horrible Thalmor to Dragons? Shame on you! LOL

The only time I feel "sorry" for a dragon is when I kill it RIGHT after it had just been resurrected by Alduin. That has got to sting. Dead for hundreds of years, "OMG, I'M ALIVE AGAIN! Oh my god, Skyrim is still so beautiful. This is the world I remember. Oh, how I have missed it so." Then I come in - Fus Ro-dead dragon.

That's pretty much it.

I like fighting dragons. They are one of the hardest beasts to kill in Skyrim. I want that challenge. And it's no secret that I am Dovakhiin. Odavhiing said the dragons knew who I was and what I could do. So if they are cocky enough to want to fight me to the death, bring it on. I'll gladly reward their arrogance with my blade in their throats.

But I'm no bloodthristy killer. Would I entertain the idea of peace-talks with the dragons? Of course! For one, there is no way in HELL that I am going to
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can change the very nature of dragonkind, then it stands to reason that the other dragons can. If they want to live in peace, they are more than happy to. If they need a translator, for our language into dragon language, I know just the guy living atop the Throat of the World. Surpass the urges of your dragonblood if you want peace. If not, you can die a glorious death at my hand. The choice is theirs. Those who seek peace may have it; those who seek destruction shall receive it tenfold from the watchful protector of Skyrim, ME.

^ This! I like your attitude and totally agree with you there! I do feel bad when I kill a named dragon that has JUST risen! awwww man, too bad! :( I've always loved dragons and admire their power, as well as their wisdom. I wish that more dragons could be portrait like Paarthurnax, but alas, I do believe the majority is rather haughty and looks down upon puny mankind. I mean, even with all their wisdom, they ARE still "creatures/animals", who may not share the compassion of men. Oh and I do have to say, I love the rush of adrenaline when fighting a dragon, in self defense of course! :)

In other Dragon lore it`s not unheard of for a dragon to fall in love with a human and vice versa.
Of course, such things are usually doomed to failure.

Some Dragons are downright evil, some good (in the minority) and some downright misunderstood. Main problem with Dragons is they have a huge ego and find it very hard to empathise with puny Men. It`s like a clash of a high and low culture. Why should Dragons even deign to understand people?

I have a book of Dragons (with nice art too) about all the different Dragon lores and types of Dragon. Many look similar to Skyrim Dragons.

Well, dragon and human... Dovahkiin's dragon blood had to come from somewhere, no? LOL

Speaking of Dragon Lore and Dragon in books, I also have several books on dragons. Plus, my favorite Fantasy book series features some amazing dragons! Check it out when you get a chance. The series is called http://www.kateforsyth.com.au/eileanan.htm! Amazing books!
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:58 am



The key difference however, is that if Paarthurnax had not done what he did, the present and future as we know it likely would not exist. The dragons would never have been defeated. Everyone in the present that is alive, indirectly owes their existence to him and those he had taught. He may or may not have been responsible for the deaths of many, but he is also responsible for many more having the possibility of even being born.

That's like saying if a serial killer, or Hitler, didn't kill those people, we wouldn't be where we today, so we should respect or honor them. Give me a break. Stop making excuses for these creatures who mindlessly are trying to save themselves, and themselves only. If I was a dragon, it would be different. But they prey upon our innocent families for their own reasons. It's my prerogative to stop these beasts. Sure, I feel bad for their destiny, but I feel much worse for what they want to do to ours, at least the ones who attack on sight.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:19 am

The Dragons have done horrible, horrible, horrible things to humanity in the past and the will to dominate all the 'lesser' races lies within their very blood & soul.


I have no quarrel about exterminating their race... even if it is for the second time >:D
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:27 am

Agreed, I wanted more NPC dragons to talk to. Paarthurnax and Odavhing were cool and left me wanting to talk too every dragon I saw.
Unfortunately the only talking I did with them was in the dragon tongue
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:47 pm

That's like saying if a serial killer, or Hitler, didn't kill those people, we wouldn't be where we today, so we should respect or honor them. Give me a break. Stop making excuses for these creatures who mindlessly are trying to save themselves, and themselves only. If I was a dragon, it would be different. But they prey upon our innocent families for their own reasons. It's my prerogative to stop these beasts. Sure, I feel bad for their destiny, but I feel much worse for what they want to do to ours, at least the ones who attack on sight.

Not at all. If Paarthurnax had not gotten cold feet and betrayed the other dragons, there would be no future as we currently know it.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:54 am

Sorry but I chuckled. Honestly, I don't think there's room for conversations. If I recall correclty Pete Hines even confirmed that the dragons of Nirn are generally evil for no apparent reason? Feel free to correct me.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:24 am

Just cos I feel bad for Dragons don`t mean I won`t slaughter them.

I feel bad for Nazis soldiers in WW2 games I play, since they`re Humans, they don`t wanna die.

I still blow them away with no hesitation.

You have to take a side since they`ll do it you if you don`t do it to them first- And they DON`T feel bad about it.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:25 am

Really? Even after they buzz you with fire? I have no problems gutting/frying/impaling them.
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Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:58 am

The Dragons have done horrible, horrible, horrible things to humanity in the past and the will to dominate all the 'lesser' races lies within their very blood & soul.


I have no quarrel about exterminating their race... even if it is for the second time > :biggrin:

humans have done "horrible horrible" things to each other and in the The elder scrolls world to other races who have done horrible things to their own kind and to other races as well. Saying a species deserves to be wiped off the face of the Earth just because they've done "horrible horrible" things is not a really solid argument, by that logic what gives humans the right to exist?? They're just as worse as the dragons, they have the same weaknesses as dragons as well. that means every sentient being in Tamriel deserves to be wiped off the face of the Earth.
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