What bait? :confused:

I thought they did manufacture bullets with lipstick casings?

ive always hated "girl gamers" that complain about not having a female model. like back when Reach was in development and girls wanted a female model. i will admit that Bungie did a good job with the model but would those girl gamers not have boughten Reach if there was no female model? they still would go out to the midnight release and buy it....so why would game developers put extra effort for a somewhat small group that will buy it anyways.

ive always hated "girl gamers" that complain about not having a female model. like back when Reach was in development and girls wanted a female model. i will admit that Bungie did a good job with the model but would those girl gamers not have boughten Reach if there was no female model? they still would go out to the midnight release and buy it....so why would game developers put extra effort for a somewhat small group that will buy it anyways.

now there are alot of games that have female charaters for campaign and multiplayer modes. like fable, reach, all mmos, mirrors edge and so on. but the problem seems to lie with FPS....i think we will see female characters when females start serving in the military more. i mean they cant even be in alot of the positions. females in the military r slowing getting more prevalent but until people get use to it games wont. maybe im wrong but thats what i think.

theres also the problem with abuse. alot of males would abuse the female system and make "skimpy" or "[censored]ty" characters. thats where a good developer would come in, such as Bungie and what they did for Reach.

im a male but it would be nice for female representation. but Brink is not that game.

If they made these women in the game.. Would the Resistance topless version be a bikini, or some sort of tank top? :unsure2:

WHO KNOWS!

And I don't think it'd be a very wise decision to just slap on some half-assed stuff onto the guys to make them ''female''

Fair enough. Don't think they did, but wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong

this, also whats wrong with attractive female characters in games? their "unrealistic" with their briast, so are most men in games when it comes to muscle and size. (gears of war is a [censored] example of a good female character as they would have been torn in half by locust)

What's "half-assed" about the same distinguishing features that the men get? We only have the faces and the fact that we run around with our shirts off (and voices of course) to set us distinctly as men, anything else is just our own vison of maleness being placed upon a bunch of digital renderings.

People make arguments that are biased based on their own ideas of the differences between men and women, but the differences are not that big when you take away societal identifiers and basic anatomy (which is irrelevant in a digital situation anyways).

1. If Brink had a female gender in character customization, more males then females will use that feature.
2. If Brink pushed the release date back to add in female customization, there will be MUCH more complaints then praises.
3. The hard truth is, how many males or females are NOT going to buy this game because they can't make female avatars. Not a whole lot. If the % of potential players turning away from the game BECAUSE of the lack of female gender customization outweighed the time, effort, and money to add that feature in, then SD and Bethesda would have added in that feature. I am not saying that the developers are money hungry monsters that only care about profit margins. I'm saying the investors are money hungry monsters that care about profit margins.

1. If Brink had a female gender in character customization, more males then females will use that feature.
2. If Brink pushed the release date back to add in female customization, there will be MUCH more complaints then praises.
3. The hard truth is, how many males or females are NOT going to buy this game because they can't make female avatars. Not a whole lot. If the % of potential players turning away from the game BECAUSE of the lack of female gender customization outweighed the time, effort, and money to add that feature in, then SD and Bethesda would have added in that feature. I am not saying that the developers are money hungry monsters that only care about profit margins. I'm saying the investors are money hungry monsters that care about profit margins.

I'm not saying they should scrap the entire Brink dev bible and delete all of their hard work. All I'm saying is that there are those of us who are disappointed with SD's choice to not include female characters. It would be nice, were it possible, to see it in DLC down the line, or in a sequel. It's not a complaint, or some kind of misguided demand, simply an expression of interest.

Mind if I ask what amount of inclusion would be enough?

A lot of people have the notion that a female character model must "move like a woman", or have briasts, or look exceptionally feminine, etc. But what would be the bare minimum for you to accept it as an acknowledgement of the female presence?

Mind if I ask what amount of inclusion would be enough?

A lot of people have the notion that a female character model must "move like a woman", or have briasts, or look exceptionally feminine, etc. But what would be the bare minimum for you to accept it as an acknowledgement of the female presence?

But they must have breats, a feminine face and a feminine voice that is not done by a guy who got his balls shattered

I can see females move like the guys in this game, yeah

But they must have breats, a feminine face and a feminine voice that is not done by a guy who got his balls shattered

Can you guys get that we soon have filled a whole damn thread?

Well, I was directing that at the female gamer, but since you've answered...

A face, a voice, and something to give the appearance of briasts. Not a lot of difference when you look at it.

Now now - how can you hate metal thongs?
I still don't wanna see fat canteen ladies with gatling guns with a male voice over the VoIP.
It's disturbing and might make me laugh too much thus not able to play serious.


Though I can find a reason why I would shoot a lady in a game...
"Why are you out of the kitchen?!!" :chaos:

<3 you all.

Now now - how can you hate metal thongs?
I still don't wanna see fat canteen ladies with gatling guns with a male voice over the VoIP.
It's disturbing and might make me laugh too much thus not able to play serious.


Though I can find a reason why I would shoot a lady in a game...
"Why are you out of the kitchen?!!" :chaos:

<3 you all.

PS. Girls generally have a smaller body (due to curves :woot: ) so hitboxes kinda becomes a problem - light body type girls :3

Seems I spoke too soon.

Seems I spoke too soon.

Brink is a game with a very powerful character creation system. Optimally, I'd like to see a female body type of some kind. As far as "moving like a woman," or briast size, or anything else, with Brink's focus on customization, wouldn't that be best left up to the player? Again, this is putting aside obvious technological limitations etc etc.

PS. Girls generally have a smaller body (due to curves :woot: ) so hitboxes kinda becomes a problem - light body type girls :3

But for the body type, is a visual reskin enough or do you believe the shape needs to change? Could it be "light body type 2" with less excessive muscle shading and a top with shading to simulate briasts, or does it need to be a different wireframe with a seperate skin laid over?

Keep in mind that the only things men can actually change in game are body girth (3 sizes), voice (9ish options), face (12ish options), and add on items. There's no ability to change neck size or musclature so to remain comparable there would likely be no feature to change briast size either.

This is true, but I don't think it's really an issue. Assume a man and a woman ingame are the same height. As far as targeting goes, it's the silhouette we're concerned with, so as long as that has roughly the same surface area regardless of gender it shouldn't really matter. Center mass is still center mass, and headshots are still headshots. Deviation falls within the silhouette, which would cover the same percentage of your screen, just in different places.

Ok picture this.
A female model is hiding behind a wall - but with my eyes (eyes that were made to look at girls as it's highest priority) will see an ass popping out of the wall.
Then I will shoot that ass with bullets or whatnot, then female will cry 'oh we have a big ass'
then same thing happens but the boobs were the one out of place this time 'oh we have size double D's make it A cups!'

Might as well just have a light body guy with a mask and your voice over VoIP.
Just saying - no point for (I shouldn't say this) 'waste' time on making new models and whatnot.

*sets up soapbox*
Ahem. I know this is an issue which has been addressed before, but it is one that struck close to home for me and I feel I would regret not adding my two cents: female player characters.
As a woman, it is easy to feel forgotten or even alienated in the gaming industry. At all times I am surrounded by the very male demographic and games and advertisemants that pander to the testosterone-bearing, and to be fair, gaming has been for a very long time a masculine pursuit. It's nigh-impossible for me to be a gamer without being labeled immediately a "girl gamer," rather than just a "gamer," and to be frank it can be pretty frustrating.

I work for a technology retailer, and Brink is the first game which has completely unified my coworkers and I in our excitement for a game. I can't adequately express how amped I am to play this thing, so let me just get that out there on the table. Still, the label of "girl gamer" follows me. I find myself relegated to a sort of "second-chair" status among peers. Customers to my store will actually ask if there is "a man he can talk to who knows more about shooters."

Consequently, I have very mixed feelings on the prospect of female avatars. Not having that distinction really come into play is a very positive thing as far as I am concerned, but it's not necessarily the best solution - not finding representation for the kind of characters we envision in a game lauded for its creative mutability can be a major frustration ingame for a lot of women, and when we do it's often in the form of a very intensely sixualized and male-centric character design.

What I'd like to propose is a sort of compromise to please everyone, and I hope Splash Damage and Bethesda take this to heart (I'm quite the Bethesda fangirl): consider including female characters as a DLC option down the line, but please don't make them just for men. I don't want to create a character who has to run around the gameworld with a steel thong (I'm looking at you, Guild Wars). Maybe some people do (and I hope I never meet one), but honestly when bullets start flying I don't reach for my beach wear, I reach for some damn armor. The male characters in this game have a great art direction, but really they're not exactly the most handsome bullet-fodder in the world, so why should the female characters be an exception? Leave the big-briasted shoehorned-in female protagonists to Gears of War and give me a girl who actually looks like she came from The Ark. Give me a girl who looks like she could actually haul that rocket-filled backpack around. Give me someone I can identify with without putting me into that stereotype of "girl gamer," and I know a lot of ladies out there who will flock to Brink as a result.

Thank you.
*steps off of soapbox*

(Edited for accuracy, thanks The Zero :3)

If a bum or a boob would stick out of the cover I don't think it was intended for cover :l

That sounds a wee bit silly, Spade - don't you think?

And I don't think they'd give them that big butts nor boobs