Exactly, now stop complaining about female characters people!

I think if girls just had a few characters to choose from even if the movement was the same, they would at least show the girls out there that they at least made an effort. Let's be honest the PC market is going to be small compared to console land..

Okay I am done with my rant. Thanks for listening.

SD does not want to do a terrible job at anything they're offering in BRINK. They don't want to give you some really poor quality crap, but this was a really tough decision for them to make because to give the green light for women to be included would conflict with their concept of varied customization, another one of their goals.

i can understand women not being in the first Brink and for the women in military post, the main reason why women are not playable in those games is because the GENEVA convention prevents women from being in any combat role, they are usually medics, engineer, admin and other tech MOSes instead of a Combat MOS. Brink can have women in a combat role but it is too late in development to do so, if anything i would think that women would be included in the sequel.

Ive heard and seen lots of woman in uniform, and yes, as a combatant.

No, it's not really that; female gamers are on the rise and they want representation. BRINK has a legal reason to allow women: there are no laws concerning women not being able to participate in armed conflict on the Ark. Yes, they cannot be added this late into development, but Ham has promised to try and implement women in a sequel.

Thought you were talking about real world armies, not brink. Lol. Im so slliy

personally i can careless how many female gamers are out there, if they made brink with all female models instead of male models would i be complaining about male representation, no, this isn't some type of sixism or affirmative action experiment, it is a game, when the developers see a market incentive to do so they will. more than likely you will get your wish in the sequel, but complaining about the current game and wanting it in DLC is too far gone, and would just cause problems. once they get a bigger and better engine to run Brink on, it will be a better time to allow female models, with the same level of customization (which i hope will be even greater than what is coming out).

The ARK is just the beginning, so far they haven't shown any back story for women to be brought into the game like GoW3, and the fact it is a civil war instead of a Galactic battle means women do not have to fight. key word "have to" which doesn't mean later on they can.....

I said it before, and just repeat myself, but it fits very well again:

The Art-style of BRINK probably leads to very different female characters than you have in other games. No Bayonetta, no Final Fantasy Girlies, no Asia-RPG "warriors". And there would probably be no typical model-face, model-body female characters in BRINK.

This is one long thread.
But most of these comments are pretty sixist.....

I wonder how many of the people wanting female characters are actually women themselves?

What boggles my mind, is how the players that are so gung-ho over playing as a female, appear to have such narrow vision. They totally disregard everything else that Brink is offering, and only focus on one thing that it doesn't offer. And to make it even worse, the option to play as female doesn't even effect gameplay - it is an entirely aesthetic choice, yet people get so upset about it. Typically, throughout my 20+ years of gaming, I have found that players who would be this upset at something like this, probably wouldn't even enjoy a game Ike Brink in the first place - they enjoy the character customization, but the actual game they really don't care for. Males and females play shooters, because they like shooters, regardless of what their avatar looks like.

Did people get this upset in other FPS games that offer customization and no option for females?

I've been informed that in my old clan in MAG, only 3 out of the 350 or so members are female. I know that's probably an extreme, but in most cases female FPS gamers aren't all that common. No offense, but making up such an incredibly low percentile of gamers, it's illogical on the developer's side of things to pour SO much into a feature that probably won't be utilized frequently enough to merit the months of extra development and the hefty added strain on memory, or cuts on other features.

+1

i have never seen people so gung ho about this in my 20+ years of gaming as well, i have seen people fretting about a woman being stereotyped in Bayonetta, scared of the murder/other crimes in GTA, and fatalities in MK1, but never anyone so fanatical about women having to be in a game. To me they should just wait till the sequel, the developer has said they are going to try and implement it.

Agreed. I don't want women to be in any sequel if all they're going to be is some oversixualized/overly dainty young girls. That kinda stuff's just pathetic.

With the men of Brink as ugly as they are now, women would probably end up looking more rugged and masculine than you or I. :laugh:

I'm a realistic kind of guy. I'm not going to send a dolled-up girl on the battlefield, I'm going to send someone who looks like they can hold their own.

In other words, women who on looks alone, you wouldn't want to procreate with.

...your point?

I'm hoping for females in the future as well, especially since most games that have customization has gender-choice as the first choice you make in those games, lol. If there is no women in the sequel (which is supposed to be a game with "deep" customization), then I will be sad and give my money to other games with customization that do (like Sims and Bioware games). Simple as that. I'm strong in my beliefs and I'm willing to sacrifice for the sake of representation.



Um, you're male, so you are part of a majority so you can take advantage of your representation and privileges in life, while females and minority races (of which I am both, being Hispanic and female) historically (and even in this modern age) do not have as much representation and privileges as you, so yeeeeeeah. I do not think that's cool to talk about being excluded as a male (or Caucasian or any of the majority) because you are part of the majority---and many, many games (and other types of entertainment) aim for you guys in the first place.

That's like saying to an African American, "Hey, why does this movie have mostly African Americans? I feel rejected as a Caucasian! You're all racist!"
Unless you are a minority, especially a female of a minority race (in which you become a minority of a minority which is even worse), do not try to play the sixist/racist card.

In a time during which females have to break the "glass ceiling", African-Americans are still fighting for equality, and Hispanics and Muslim-Americans are treated as if all of them are illegal or terrorists, this is such a personal topic for me (and other minorities).

Just, please, please, no.

Let's not go there.

I'm not at all articulate like my other female and minority friends and I really do not want to get into it, so yeeeeeeeeeaah....
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Anyway, this discussion is not needed, since right now, Brink does not have female characters. Let's try to support Brink first, m'kay? ^_^

http://images.publicradio.org/content/2008/03/26/20080326_female_soldier_33.jpg.


For the record: I liked Black Dynamite very much.

that is what i was getting at, the developer has said they are going to try and implement females in their game, i was just pointing out that race/gender isn't a important factor in my decision for a game, hell if this world was ruled by women, where all video game stars are female would i complain, no.

another point, why do you assume i am a white, that is a very hypocritical assumption on your part, i am in fact a Japanese male, you are the one interjecting race into this equation, did i scream bloody murder when i saw Japanese people getting killed in a WW2 game? no, did i complain when the only Asian character in GoW was killed off in the beginning of the game? no, so don't bring race into this debate.

Privilages in life? no i don't take "privlages in life" i work for my money, my hobbies, my life, i don't ask the government for a handout.

now back to the topic :glare: I wished they had female characters in the game, but since it isn't practical at this point of time, i am not going to complain to get the game delayed or lose out on game play mechanics, it would be a lot smarter to buy the current game to give them a reason to implement women in the game, give them a incentive to go with your ideal instead of strong arming them like the government usually does which doesn't solve anything.

Yeah, I'm talking about people who are insulted and shout racism whenever us minorities get a movie (any type of entertainment) to ourselves for once in our lives. ^_^

EDIT: ^To Dark Prophit, I didn't say you were white. I was talking about your hypothetical(I think that's what would be called) comment about being a male insulted by there being mostly females in an entertainment in which females are underrepresented.

I think we are misunderstanding one another, lol?

I think many males (especially on the internet, lol) need to read http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/2007/03/11/faq-what-is-male-privilege/ http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/resources/mirror-derailing-for-dummies/ in order to understand why females (and some minorities) are so sensitive to this kind of thing and---why I/we am/are tired of these kind of arguments from many males all of the time, lol.

I'm going to leave this topic at that, so we can focus on Brink's awesome-ness together. :foodndrink:

i brought some wine to this truce :celebration: , more than likely i am misinterpreting your side of the argument as it is 235 am after i finished work and dealing with a tsunami warning.

I agree that females are in the minority, and certain minorities are very sensitive to anything that is controversial that impacts them, but when people step back from emotion and look at the debate logically, everyone can find common ground. We want the same thing, it is just that we are venting our anger at each other. i felt that you were subliminally calling me a sixist/WASP but then you thought i was totally disregarding women in a debate.

i am hoping that BRINK will sell immensely and allow the developers to gain enough profit to create a perfect meld of both our ideas, which i think would benefit everyone.

Yay, a truce! :clap:

Sorry if I offended anyone with my emotional posts, lol! *gives hugs*
EDIT: Oh, I hope you are safe wherever you are! :hugs:

Here's to supporting Brink so it will become an awesome sleeper hit! :celebration: