Yeah this thread is so backwards!
We need males with female armors!

My main problem (and OPs too it seems) is the boob plates. Example I like the steel plate armor for males but for females it looks like it has some ridiculous torpedo boobs in it.


And with female animation.

I'd like to extend the idea of this mod and add burkhas to all the female NPCs. I'm sure the Eight Divines are just as uptight and moralistic as their earthly counterparts and prefer violence over sixuality any day.

Way to miss the point of OP completely and utterly.

Preferring armor that looks comfortable and practical is not akin to being morally uptight and sixually repressed.

That said, this thread is making me take a new look at the armor in Skyrim. I love how much most of it covers, but I've never thought about the logistics of "boob plate." I think some alternative armors would be great; plus, I've always thought the Joan of Arc look was cool. If I didn't have so much on my plate (no pun intended, I swear) already I'd take up the cause myself. If anyone else is interested, maybe this site could provide some ideas. There's plenty of boob plate, but there's also other decent armors:

http://womenfighters.tumblr.com/

I've been following that blog almost since the start, looking at it now and then and expanding my fantasy pic collection. It's pretty great blog.

Firstly there is nothing wrong with natural attraction and secondly are you saying you would prefer men in skimpy outfits. I ask because your reaction sounds as if I am being sixist towards the men

At the end of the day though these are mods we are talking about so they are not in the core game, therefore you don't have to have it.

You've moved goalposts now, the point was teenage boys aren't the only ones that play the game.

Speaking of female armor, has anyone seen Diablo 3's?
Male: http://i.imgur.com/MvvXs.jpg
Female: http://i.imgur.com/LLak4.jpg

Their excuse is they come from the desert, except in the desert you cover everything up to prevent sunburn & sand abrasions. It's pretty dumb.

Natural attraction has nothing to do with it and everyone saying this is assuming male, as well as heterosixuality, is the default point of view.

There's nothing wrong with being attracted to someone. There is something wrong with insisting that those who you are attracted towards should always dress in a way that you prefer, even if it might be uncomfortable or impractical for them. Of course, when it comes to fiction, things are at least somewhat different... I'll be happy so long as there's a decent amount supporting the point of view I agree with, and if you want skimpy clothing and armour I've no doubt you'll be able to find plenty of it. Just let us have the opposite as well.

You shouldn't really have to ask since the thread is about that. It's the juveniles(on a bethesda forum? why i never) that are derailing the issue.

In a world where women aren't allowed in battle of course it makes sense for any woman warrior to be dressed in men's armor. In Joan of Arc's case she was pretending to be a man in a society that didn't even make armor for women because they weren't allowed to fight let alone be in command.

Nirn on the other hand has women blacksmiths and women are considered equally adept at combat so it makes sense that armor is tailored to the shape of a woman's body.

I'm about 75% happy with the heavy female armor in Skyrim, which is a big step up from Oblivion (which had some of the worst armor designs of the series IMO anyway, but I digress).

1. Main issue with the armor is it's actually poorly designed armor. Armor with that design would fail to offer the protection it should. One dent in the chest of that skin tight armor and the wearer could not breathe. The design of the chest actually guides a blade right to the weakest and most vital point in the chest. All real heavy armor basically had design principles around it that allows it to function and protect (flexibility and deflection), and it was these designs that actually made it functional (not simply the fact that it was hard material), it was mostly mass produced and adjustable. A woman would have worn this same armor - if any thing it'd be slightly smaller. It wouldn't have boob cups. Additionally, as a woman, I can tell you that boob cup armor would NOT fit comfortably, or be fun to move in. I'm just imagining those gigantic air bubbles on my chest... *shutter* Trust me on this. If any armor of this "boob cup" design was ever made or used, it was probably ceremonial.

2. It brings an air of sixuality to any character wearing it by emphasizing the briasts. This is deliberate sixism. Since this is a single player game that can be altered, not all of us like or want this in our game, and we don't get this choice (normally if you want to play a female character you have to accept she's going to look [censored]ty). It isn't inherently right or wrong, simply personal. With all the mods out there for you guys to have dozens of mostly nvde anime girls bouncing around your games, you can't accept that maybe some of us want something different? Perhaps because we're female ourselves, or just want more realism in our game. Shouldn't really matter, it's optional.

3. Once the modeling tools are available, I'm sure I'll be messing with the female heavy armor meshes. I'm really not sure if adapting the male armor is the best way to go, or trying to repair the chest area of the existing female meshes would be feasible. Or some combination. When I've tried this in the past I've had a lot of issues with clipping and holes in the meshes that have caused me not to release anything for Oblivion - not sure I'll be able to make anything worthwhile this time around either. The release of the toolkit will make it easy to simply remove the female meshes - but there is going to be a host of issues just doing that and any armor that shows flesh certainly can't be fixed with just this step. But we'll have to see. I have no clue what to tell you guys about the light armor - I'm not going to use it, and it'll take much more modeling. Sorry.

I'm more excited to mod this game than play it at this point.

Except that shapely briast armor is a inherently bad design, making the blade angle toward the middle. It would never have been used.

Wulf19, that was awesome. That needed to be said.

Hear hear!

One way to go about it is to remove as many convex angles as possible, notably the area between boobs. So something like this:

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/images/8828-2-1251332000.jpg

or this

http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/npc_Gwynn.jpg

Everything I wanted to express, you did better.

God, I thought this back on OB days. This is MUCH needed.
Most armor should be the male version, but some important NPC warrior women could have specially made ornate armor. Because, yes, functional (not for show) armor IS unisix. Ever seen a pic of Jeane d'Arc?

Ermmm... no.
The issue here is not that most armor is for men. The issue is that if someone does a thrust with a sword towards a woman wearing boob-plated armor, the armor itself would work against the wearer, guiding the blade to the chest, lungs and heart.
The issue is that Forsworn armor is perfect to have your or your companion's intestines sprayed on the floor by nearly anything out there.
The issue is that I can't fathom how a woman can reach lvl 100 archery without either pressing her briasts against her chest with an appropriately shaped leather armor or cutting one of her boobs.
The issue is that when you kill a make guy wearing iron armor, it shapeshifts into a female version as soon as it lands in the hands of a female character.

And don't get me wrong, I love women and how they look (yay for sixy girls!), I just feel awkward whenever I see a female on armor that looks specially made with her quick and promptly dead in mind.

I support this idea. As a heterosixual male I do like seeing these kinds of armor in games (a guilty pleasure), but in an otherwise very serious and realistic game like Skyrim the sixy armor really stands out as inappropriate and breaks immersion. For example, yesterday I was climbing a mountain and in the middle of a blizzard I was ambushed by two female bandits wearing fur bandeaux and skirts. How the heck did they avoid freezing to death?

And it bothers me that the men very rarely get equally skimpy outfits or as many of them in games that give them to females. If you're gonna sixually exploit your game characters at least be equal and fair about it, yeah?

Another thing I'd like to see is all of the male and female versions of every clothing and armor separated into different items that can be equipped by either gender. That would alleviate the magic shapeshifting clothing issue, and besides these kinds of games are supposed to be all about player freedom, so why restrict the player's choice of clothing to gender appropriate options? Ain't nothing wrong with crossdressing, so let the men wear dresses if they want to. Especially the big, burly bearded Nords!

I understand and the answer is better designed women's armor not putting women in men's armor.

Redesigning the female armors to be more realistic would basically make them look almost identical to the male armor. Truly practical armor is pretty much unisix in design, the differences in fitting wouldn't be very noticeable to the average observer.

As for now, how can I convert all female Heavy Armor to male and use that for now until a real legitimate mod comes out?

Given the contents of *nexus sites I'm pleasantly surprised at seeing this thread here


You'd need to extract the male meshes from Skyrim - Meshes.bsa and then rename them to whatever their female equivalent is called. It'd be incredibly tedious, I don't recommend it. Looking in there myself it seems like the different body weights actually use different meshes, including separate meshes for beast races, so there are dozens and dozens of files you'd have to extract and rename (there are 42 files just for the female hide meshes alone, for example).

I'd like to do this myself when the NifTools guys get up to speed on the file format changes, but that's kinda discouraging. It'd be a massive undertaking.

Completely disagree.

Also switching the female armor with male armor will give females the male body. So very glad that this isn't something that bothers me. By all means though, those of you that it does bother go ahead and walk around with a woman head and hands on a mans body if that is what you want.