There is no evidence that the Vault Dweller wasn't, infact, a kangaroo in a man-suit. Therefore, the Vault Dweller was a kangaroo in a man-suit.

It doesn't exist as you're looking for it. Really how often do you see details in a story telling you negative details ? Common sense really dictates that Vault 87 really shouldn't have had FEV (or at bare minimum mention West Tek). No wonder Rummy lasted so long, heh.

well if you wish to believe.


the fact that there is FEV in vault 87 proves there was more FEV>

i have yet to see any in game examples of a kangaroo man.

You say that sarcastically, as if he wasn't.

but thats the thing.. vault 87 having it says they should have it.. there is nothing to combat its existance, and an infinite amount of possibilities why it is there.

shame, the cannon/lore sayers are the ones focusing how its not common sense
im looking at the possiblities of how, since it is..

That's a bit convenient, hah, the bit that didn't make sense makes sense because it was put in. The problem with Vault 87 should have been solved before they put it in to shoe-horn FEV into the game. Some things seem to contradict it being therre, after all. But true, we're stuck with that oversight on Beth's part.

explaination in the game would ahve been nice.. sure.

but its not contradictory. just unexplained

Yes, it is stated in-game as well.



West-Tek is mentioned in Operation: Anchorage. The biggest absent corporation is Poseidon.

Well without explanations the contradictions remain. I doubt they'll care enough to fix it, majority of the players never played the earlier ones and wouldn't see any problem with it and most wouldn't even notice if they did, heh.

how is it contradictory again?

because you thought, or were even led to believe that mariposa was the only place with it?

they do still have a few to make, bethsof. dont count them out just yet. timing could be everything.

People can rationalise anything. It's a case of what you choose to, and choose not to believe.

I think it's pretty rich that you would accuse me of flawed focus. You started this topic in the first place, and invited someone to provide what you were asking for. You can choose to disregard these facts as you like, but it is by no means a "shame" that I choose different principles of logic to your own.

The military transferred all FEV research to a military base so that they would have full control over the project, taking it over from the West-Tek corporation.

If they wanted parallel research on two different sites, why not move some of the virus toMariposa but continue research at West-Tek instead of first moving all of it to Mariposa to get full control and then give some of it to a completely different, unrelated corporation?

you provided proof that it existed in mariposa.. thats not what iwas asking for. i even said after your first post that i was looking for contrete evidence that it didnt exist anywhere else..


and it is a shame..
because likeit or not bethesda has rights to this franchise.
instead of just saying "that doesnt fit canon!!!!!!"
you could be wondering how it got there, and feuling your imagination..

Well it contradicts the stuff about research being moved to Mariposa, West-Tek's involvement in its creation and generally feels like a poor transplant.

Really? Where exactly? I'd like to check that out for myself sometime.

EDIT: Nevermind, found the location in the Fallout Wiki's West Tek Research Facility article.

A terminal entry, although I think it actually might be one of the ones removed from the final version of the DLC:

Wow, I've never seen more complaining about the most trivial crap ever to exist.

One would assume that when they say they moved ALL, that it's pretty all enclusive

As for complaining about breaking out of canon, someone has to call them out on it

But the quality of logic is important here, because canon, in any franchise is seldom complete and specific. Last mention in canon was that the complete program as to be moved. There is no indication of the final status of the program. Was it completely moved? We don't know. Did it, all of it, reasch Mariposa and nowhere else? We don't know. Was that FEV program the only similar program? We don't know.

The canon presents incomplete evidence, and when evidence is incomplete, there is no way, with the information given, to be absolutely sure of the final disposition of the program. So, the argument could be made, unsupported by pre FO3 canon, but also not negated by canon, that FEV research could end up on the East Coast.

Your argument isn't wrong, it's just incomplete, and that was the point.

What if maybe Vault 87 was a product of West-Tek and Vault-Tec cooperating on research? Also, remember that the FEV from 87 was a different strain then from out west. Maybe that has something to do with it? :shrug:

Holy crap, it says they moved all the data to the military base, ALL THE DATA, ALL OF IT, EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!
the tests contuined up untill the war with all the data in the same spot, no it was never stated that it was move or not, but why go to all the trouble to move it again, after you spent the time and money to move it from where it was to where it is now?

So if I said that all Ford trucks where made at Panitsville KY, in the ford truck plant from 2009 to 2010 then in 2011 a war happened and wiped out everything, would you still say that ford trucks where made in new york? just because the records are incomplete?

Not only was it pointed out that the vault was made before F.E.V or P.I.V was ever made, that also ( if I am not wrong ) means that 87 was finished last and not 13, according to the lore.

But I could be wrong, but I really don't care what some of you think.
As you have already stated you don't care about playing fallout 1/2, you don't care enough to loom up your own info when provided with links, so tell me how exactly you are not bias towrds fallout 3?

I am not bias anyway, I played all published fallouts to date ( yes even the one on the consoles BOS ) I like them all equaly, but some of them are better as as spin offs, and one of them should have been ( read fallout 3 ) I BLODDY LOVE FALLOUT 3 but I REALLY WISH it was a spin off, and not #3, the mods are what really makes it though, it has its own style and good game play, but the story and lore are lacking in it.
The first 2, have a great story, and lots of neat feature, but I can't always stand the combat.

All of the games have there own good and bad points, I love them all equally, but I can see there faults as well, like I said, the combat in 1/2 is not the best, tactics had great combat but a weak story, and BOS was a good action/shooter with light RPG elements, and thats also what I think of fallout 3, a light rpg with good action/shooter parts.

I don't hate fallout 3, I hate the mistakes and poor story it made,

It'd make sense, well ok still wouldn't, but at least they'd mention West-Tek. As the war starts a couple of months after the research is moved, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say FEV's not worked on anywhere other than Mariposa at that point. Makes perfect sense that the research is only in one place. We have to accept that Vault 87 is now canon, but that was really a slip up by Beth's research, heh.

No it's there, the terminal is easy to miss but it's in the same room that Protector McGraw is initially in. It's right in front of you when you enter that room. One of the log entries mentions West-Tek, it's the same one you posted.

i was gonna say i was wrong cause the term FEV was coined after the vault closing. but thats not the case, i guess

*throws up humble pie he started eating*

Seeing as how a nuclear war is brewing why not move it to a parallel site that is geographically far away? It makes sense that there was another project going on with the virus, it creates a failsafe backup.