Actually, a vault near to West Tek would have been more suitable, if they wanted to not bother to secure the project by having it in many places at once. And their failsafe backup would be in a city that's a primary target for any nuclear attack

im looking in the timeline on the wikia..

the name FEV was coined in 2075, while at west tek..
February 2077: FEV Research is leaked to the world through an unknown source
vault 87 didnt close until 2078


how hard would it be if that research was leaked, for the actual data to be known by other scientists? the computer in 87 saiys "this strain" meaning its clearly not the acutal FEV from mariposa. but an unkown source leaking the FEV research also means jhat the amount of info on FEV is unknown..

October 23 2077: The Mariposa Military Base survives, the soldiers and scientists within protected from the radiation and FEV flooding the wasteland
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, but its tightly under wraps?


also, if thats not enough for you..

once a term is coiined most things that are "like it" use that name.
people say "i want a coke" when they may not mean the namebrand, but just a soda, or pop...

If the term FEV was coined that early and the whole world knew the name "FEV" it could stand to reason that even if it isnt the same FEV, thats what they are calling it because it does force evolution-why come up with a new name.

surely these three scenarios can cast a shadow of doubt that FEV could only be exclusive to previous games..

Alright I'm not taking sides on this one. I'm just gonna suggest a few things that may help explain this. I already realize that these may just get disregarded and I'm fine with that.

Vault 87 was started as a fev virus testing facility a few years before the invention of the fev virus.
Could it possible that the overseer of the vault new about the creation of the virus a head of time via connections within the group who sought to create it? Therefore making this vault a testing site without announcing it to the resident until it was too late?

The transfer of all fev virus containers to the mariposa station.
As i think back to other posts i've seen, alot of people claimed that the west and east cost regions had been cut off from each other. While others have said that people were able to travel between the two of em. So I offer a couple of explanations for this:
-Connected: This go's back to my first suggestion about the vault testing site. Transfer of the virus would've taken too long to reclaim it from the vault so they just left it.
-Not Connected: Bethesda screwed over the canon.

again i know these will most likely be disregarded or just brushed off as non-canon. I am completely aware of that and as i stated, these are just a couple of suggestions.

I'm pretty sure they didn't announce ANY of their experiments

According to one of the terminal entries, they were under the supervision of Mariposa and Vault-Tec.

right, but according to the fallout timeline, the entire FEV reasearch operation was exposed by an unknown source.

whihc not only means the name could have been commonplace while another was created, or that the actual virus or information about its composition/creation were also discolsed..

to me this completely blows any credibility that it could only be at mariposa or vault tek regardless of what terminals say, as they only have information known to the person who creates that terminal entry.....


im sorry.. but i just cant get behind FEV only being at mariposa or west-tek when everyone knew about FEV's existence before the bombs even fell.

I wouldn't say the name or the formulation of the virus is 'commonplace'. Alot of FEV's exposure to the outside world occurred after the war, what with the Master finding it and so forth and only post-war do a great many people (relatively I guess) know of it. Pre-war, given that its a top secret US government program, I doubt it's going to be open-sourced, heh.

Just look at the track recond of gamesas in the terms of conon integrety...TES lore changes with each game pretty much. They announced a new DLC with aliens as the main focus. Whats next? Monty python DLC and timelord DLC? If they added, in FO4 that mickey mouse was president after Richardson and before eden would you seriously then ask if there is proof in canon that this couldn't be? Then when you surely don't find any (As mickey mouse's wareabouts are not mentioned at all in FO Lore) say this is perfectly possible?

sorry, but read my sig.. the middle line.. FEV research leaked to the world by undisclosed source..
thats all the proof i need that most of you are just butt-hurt and looking for things to call into question as far as canon/lore go.





im pretty sure that sionce the name was leaked by an undisclosed source, it could mean that it was anyone, even one with "top secret" clearance..

"February: FEV Research is leaked to the world through an unknown source. Protests in many major cities and governments around the world, as well as accusations that the U.S. was responsible for the New Plague. FEV is seen as the threat it is, and serves only to fuel tensions. The governments of the world fear what the U.S. is up to. Speculating anything from trying to make a breed of super soldier, to trying to make Hitler's master race, they begin to panic" from timeline/fallout bible 0





my evidence proves it is plausible..
yours does not prove it is inplausible.

making FEV in vault 87 closer to canon or lore than it not being

Sounds more like a leak of its existence rather than a total package. In any event if it were a full leak, Vault 87 would have been independent of Mariposa and West-Tek if it were to be a consequence of the leak but they mention Mariposa (not that West-Tek company Beth forgot existed, though). And they all learn of FEV's existence (not enough to do research on it) mere months before everything's swept away.

It is in canon though, as they decided to give us our re-hashed SMs, but the explanation for it could be far better than it is.

but thats just it,.. you dont know that "just the existance" was leaked.
an un-disclosed source is an un-disclosed source... anong with the source being undsiclosed, the actual info may have been disclosed is unknown.
FEV does exist in 87.... whether or not you like the way it can be linked, it is a plausible way for it to be linked.. and thats all that is actually needed to prove that its not against canon or lore, because there is a loophole within the lore its self, pre gamesas..

Still seems a bit odd. Vault-Tec starting research on FEV after getting leaked details but still corresponding with the agency they've taken pilfered data from, heh, good way to get in trouble it looks like it.

So as Mal said knowingthe name of a chemical you know exactly what it does how its made and have the facilities to make it some where else right away. Also your about to successfully launch a test program right before the bombs hit...

and just who were they supposed to get in trouble with?
the vault was going to be sealed for god knows how long while research was going on.. and didnt seal until after the bopmbs fell, when any opposition may not have even been there.. and if they did get in trouble, theyd have an army of supermutants anyhow..




ummmmm you ddint even read but a sentence of what i wrote, did you?

Well if it was some renegade operation, the US military might have minded, it wasn't though, and what'd be the point of researching FEV's effectiveness if the Vault was sealed, as far as Mariposa would have been concerned. So Vault-Tec's involvement with FEV wasn't a product of any leak, if anything Bethesda tried to set it up as an alternate research site, when the handling of FEV research in Mariposa/West-Tek indicates that wasn't needed.

uh you seem to have edited you post...tiem stamp 5:39 while mine is 5:38....

anyway do you really thing gamesas knew all that when they slapped to gether there story?

this assumes that
1)it was a reneaged operation, which youve no proof of
2)that there was any US military left in opposition after the bombs fell, scine it was closed afterwards and none of the terminals specify dates for instruction.



what would be the point of any of the vault experiments if they were sealed? woulnt that logic work against previous games as well?


again, if iunfo was leaked about FEV, it could have been info on how to create tFEV as well.
we dont know the motives of many of the vault excperiments, or wjhom in paricular within vault tec those motives from from..
perhaps tehrewas a tie to west-tek and they were pissed the army took it away...

Um. Hate to break it to ya, but that's just saying some blew the whistle on the research, not that the research material was leaked. Kinda like how photos from a certain prison in a certain middleeast country were leaked, and lead to a lot of protests.

I'm not sure why you would reach the conclusion that allows for the possiblitiy that someone leaked the research material to Vault Tec.

i cant speculate on that.

i can say that i know and ive only been researching fallout for a couple of weeks now, other than playing F3.
i can also say that aparently i know more about the timeline and bible than youdo and you seem to have played all three.

no you seem to be drawing conclusions on Fallout lore to make sure that gamesas lore fits in, you seem to also ignore everyone that says otherwise. For example the quote above, the only way your throey works is if they had the worst possible breach of secrety. Where all data is compermised and then numerous sub plots develop this leaked researsh without anyone else knowing about it. You seem to take any small loop hole and turn it into an extreme case to make sure what gamesas wrote in fits.

no.. youre simply ignoring that there is a loophole in the very lore you claim is being distorted that allows betsoft do add FEV in 87 if they choose to.
its like youre angry cause its another company... but with the info ive referenced, the possiblity for any developer (including interplay) to add FEV at any location is there

Again you are ignore the "most likely case" and using your "made it to fit my case" senario. Yes there is a loop hole, but also it's highly unlikely the size of that loop hole to fit in the new canon. I mean the government and west tek worked on the project for years and years, then when they get the nature of there project leaked, they have to have total security melt down to have the situation you propose happen. IE new unknown experiments going on without the primary team knowing anything about it. It just seems to me your trying to use any hole you find to smash in the FO3 lore no matter how much yo uhave to exaderate ot bent it to fit.

i have given you many reasons why it is fair game for gamesas to use FEV without breaking canon or going against lore.
even if you dont like them, they are there.

all you can say is that it doestn seem likely.


give me some proof that it couldtn have possibley happened and we will talk. until then, good day

If it profited from the leak as you suggest, then it'd be a renegade operation of sorts - usually working with illicitly obtained property makes you so, and the leak occurs before the bombs fall as well as some of the research (pressure from Mariposa). Experiments in totally isolated places don't really make much sense, I really don't dig the VE that much, but the rest seem to be social experiments rather than hard research, and if I recall, the President indicates the Enclave first heard about FEV when they dug up Mariposa - they were behind the VE, so why would FEV be new to them ?

Hell, an easier way for them to have FEV in the game would be having a US Army facility (given the Pentagon being in the area) have test vials of the latest samples from West Tek.

Hi. I'm going to quote myself now.



It's pretty clear that's the type of 'leak' that occured due to the protests and concerns of other governments. If it was the type of leak where someone stole the research, they wouldn't go around telling people.