FEV jetstream impact

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:05 am

Well point is that to do it you need a world wide network to control weather, and it can t be done from one place.


Where was it ever said that you needed to control the weather to disperse the virus?

If the virus would have been released, it would have worked.
User avatar
Oyuki Manson Lavey
 
Posts: 3438
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:47 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:16 pm

Well point is that to do it you need a world wide network to control weather, and it can t be done from one place.

I believe it can be done. Enclave had to have the info, and the tech, even control of prewar satellites. Thing is they would need a world wide network to achieve this.

Hey don t get mad at me because I spent 3 hrs looking at 15 sites to find out how and if it could be possible.

It is thought to be possible, but it doesn t matter if its 1942 or 2142 you can t control weather to achieve what they had planned without a world wide network. Satellite countrol is not enough there have to be units on the ground or flying neat the ground where you want this to happen.

Almost everything in fallout could happen by using todays logic. FEV its self it more believeable that you think. Some countries are beening accused right now of making biological agents that target cellular dna of certain races. Alot of this again comes from conspiracy theorists.


What the hell are you talking about? Look, this is what is called reading into things too much; regardless of whether some of Fallout's Science! has become more of a reality then when it was first envisioned back in 1997. The point is that Fallout takes liberties with science, saying that it is factually impossible based on real world science is just silly. Whilst real world science does have obvious applications, I am not going to dig out quotes on Extremophiles and quote examples of viruses surviving in space; I just accept that things in Fallout work however they want to work.
User avatar
Andrew Lang
 
Posts: 3489
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:50 pm

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:46 pm

Im talking about science at the highest levels here Styles.

fo is sweet, because it is believable going by what we have started in the real world today, especially if you look at it all through a 50s cold war turned hot state of mind.

It is more possilbe than I thought sadley it furthes my theory of Eclave in other parts of the world, it the plan was to clean up the earth completely. fo has very logical sci fi 99% of the time, this post question it no different.

You just have to control weather around the world. Which again is believed to be possible, but just not from one place. A world wide network would be needed.
User avatar
Pete Schmitzer
 
Posts: 3387
Joined: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:20 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:15 pm

Im talking about science at the highest levels here Styles.

fo is sweet, because it is believable going by what we have started in the real world today, especially if you look at it all through a 50s cold war turned hot state of mind.

It is more possilbe than I thought sadley it furthes my theory of Eclave in other parts of the world, it the plan was to clean up the earth completely. fo has very logical sci fi 99% of the time, this post question it no different.

You just have to control weather around the world. Which again is believed to be possible, but just not from one place. A world wide network would be needed.


Ok Mr. Wiki. Find me real world evidence to show you can make a Robot have advanced AI with nothing but vacuum tubes. Find me real world science to show people can become ghouls due to Radiation.

The FEV virus would have worked thanks to SCIENCE! The game says it would have, therefore it would have. Its canon. Real world Science may not support it but you are dealing with Fallout "Science!"
User avatar
Thema
 
Posts: 3461
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:36 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 am

Where was it ever said that you needed to control the weather to disperse the virus?

If the virus would have been released, it would have worked.

Use your search engine and type in what I said in my first post. There will be tons of sites containing historical accounts.

You also find very believable conspiracy theorists and scientific speculating that the U.S. it doing this now to drop vaccinations to infected areas quickly so everyone doesn t die. You would think if we are trying to stop the spread of biowarfare, we are also looking into using it in our favor as well.

It won t fall out of the jetsteam enough on its own, that is why you have to make it rain, or move the jetstream much lower to achieve the goal. Look the stuff up for yourself. You will find horrible accusations about what we and other countries are doing in smaller areas to test the effectiveness of both fast anti biowarfare, and biowarfare.
User avatar
Veronica Martinez
 
Posts: 3498
Joined: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:43 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:32 pm

snip


You are forgetting "Science!" and basing all your ideas on stuff that isn't even canon! So you are ignoring one of the key building blocks of the Fallout Universe, "Science!" and you are out right ignoring canon.
User avatar
Tamara Dost
 
Posts: 3445
Joined: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:20 pm

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:09 pm

Styles FEV is very possible, but they Enclves delivery method is what I am questioning.

You are not reading my entire posts, because I say fev is more likely than even you probably think. I say it is possible to spread around the world, but not by just letting it go in the jet stream. It has to be forced down from the jetstream or it will not be that effective. That is were man made weather comes in, or making the jetstream lower, but there have to be recievers to make electromagnetic pulses and some other stuff to make the man made weather, or bend the jetstream lower.

The op asks what are our thoughts these are my thoughts.
Either it would not have worked like they wanted, or they needed Enclave in other parts of the world to achieve this goal.

It will not fall out of the jetstream at the levels needed on its own. It must be forced out, or the jetsream must be lowered 1942 or 2152 the method won t change.
User avatar
biiibi
 
Posts: 3384
Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2007 4:39 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:58 pm

What the hell are you talking about? Look, this is what is called reading into things too much; regardless of whether some of Fallout's Science! has become more of a reality then when it was first envisioned back in 1997. The point is that Fallout takes liberties with science, saying that it is factually impossible based on real world science is just silly. Whilst real world science does have obvious applications, I am not going to dig out quotes on Extremophiles and quote examples of viruses surviving in space; I just accept that things in Fallout work however they want to work.

User avatar
cassy
 
Posts: 3368
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:57 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:11 am

Styles FEV is very possible, but they Enclves delivery method is what I am questioning.



You arn't reading my entire posts. The Enclave modded the FEV virus which is also part chemical hence why its a glowing green goo in big Vats. The Enclave changed it to be air born. Who knows what other "science!" they used but what every they did to it, would have made it go around the world.

They used Science. They said it would work, they spend decades making it. They have super computers to test it. Richardson has no reason to lie. The game says its possible so its POSSIBLE, end of story.
User avatar
carla
 
Posts: 3345
Joined: Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:36 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:02 pm

Everything I wrote is based on real science. Do you think I know how to get it done off the top of my head.

Curling 13 fev killing everyone on earth is not canon, because the project was destroyed. Therefore it is up for debate.

Honda has a prototype robot that runs on limited ai. U.S. military has R&D and tech for drones that once programed will be able to carry out missions, make decisions on friend or foe. They are just not ready yet, because they are worried if something goes wrong they will kill everything. By 2052 these things will be out there. If not ours, than China will have them. They only reason they are not out their is because they are not trusted enough yet.
User avatar
Valerie Marie
 
Posts: 3451
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:29 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:06 pm

Everything I wrote is based on real science. Do you think I know how to get it done off the top of my head.

Curling 13 fev killing everyone on earth is not canon, because the project was destroyed. Therefore it is up for debate.



Real Science has no say in this debate! Its based on Fallout science. As I posted over and over again. The Enclave have use of super computers so they could have tested it on them, run simulations. They had decades to work on their modded FEV. There is no reason for Richardson to lie or the scientists to lie to him. The games say it was going to work so therefore its CANON (that it would have worked.) There is no debate about it.
User avatar
Richard Thompson
 
Posts: 3302
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:49 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:57 am

We have computers now that calculate what the jet stream does that is why they need to force it out of the jetstream to get the full effect.

I m not posting about it anymore it seemed to far fetchee before I looked into it, and now that I have It is not possible to do it with out the aid of some major man made weather, or bending the jetstream lower.

Physical events must take place, aluminium spread through the areas you want this, the stuff to make electromagnet pulses. I don t fully understand it, but someone does because they are doing it. It shows diagrams to help dummies like me understand and it shows a worldwide network to make it happen.


I answered to OPs question to the best of my abilities. Physics can not change. It would not have worked that well with out Enclave being set up in many other places in the world to make weather, or too move the jetsteam lower. This in my answer to something in a game that did not happen any way, because the project was destroyed.
we ll agree to disagree
User avatar
phil walsh
 
Posts: 3317
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 8:46 pm

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:06 pm

Its a fictional super virus/chemical that was changed and worked on for decadeds. Once let loose in the jet stream it would spread all around the world. Its not based on real world science. Its based on Fallout Science. The people in the game said it would spread and kill everyone around the world. Does not matter if they had the chance to do it.

If you are going to argue it because its not believable to you then I am suprided you enjoy anything that is science fiction.
User avatar
Eddie Howe
 
Posts: 3448
Joined: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:06 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:49 am

SNIP


Your forgetting this is Fallout. It has been stated that it would kill every human, this si fact, whther the delivery method is flawed in real life or not does not matter.
User avatar
Thema
 
Posts: 3461
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:36 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:39 pm

There is also the possibility of the FEV strains mutating all on their own, like any decent pathogen. Or the Enclave ran the models and designed around that small possible hiccup that could cause the species of Earth to be in a constant state of flux. Considering that mankind is still relatively Homo-sapien-sapien (relatively as there have undoubtedly been some slight deviations as to our genetic coding due to radiation and what FEV was released prior to the bombs. Game logic wise at least.)
User avatar
Lauren Dale
 
Posts: 3491
Joined: Tue Jul 04, 2006 8:57 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:49 am

There is also the possibility of the FEV strains mutating all on their own, like any decent pathogen. Or the Enclave ran the models and designed around that small possible hiccup that could cause the species of Earth to be in a constant state of flux. Considering that mankind is still relatively Homo-sapien-sapien (relatively as there have undoubtedly been some slight deviations as to our genetic coding due to radiation and what FEV was released prior to the bombs. Game logic wise at least.)


That's true, the Curling FEV 13 could mutate and be able to kill pure strain humans. Or possibly humans that are nto pure strain could survive and develop immunity, doubtful as this is more powerful than a super bug but...
User avatar
Sunnii Bebiieh
 
Posts: 3454
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:57 pm

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:33 pm

Exactly. That "but..." will always be there as FO is based on "SCIENCE". With that ever looming fact, the possibilities are astronomical.
User avatar
Irmacuba
 
Posts: 3531
Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:54 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:27 am

That's true, the Curling FEV 13 could mutate and be able to kill pure strain humans. Or possibly humans that are nto pure strain could survive and develop immunity, doubtful as this is more powerful than a super bug but...


The virus kills in several hours and kills pure-strain human beings anyway.
User avatar
Samantha Jane Adams
 
Posts: 3433
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:00 pm

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:43 pm

Plus it did in fact work! you can convince the dr to release the airborne FEV into the oil rigs air system and it starts to kill all the non PA wearing people on the base! So there yo ugo Rook ingame evidence that the airborne FEV works!
User avatar
Raymond J. Ramirez
 
Posts: 3390
Joined: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:28 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:34 pm

The virus kills in several hours and kills pure-strain human beings anyway.


Oh yes, thats why they needed to be innoculated, but like any virus it could mutate and the innoulation does nto work against it.
User avatar
RObert loVes MOmmy
 
Posts: 3432
Joined: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:12 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:57 am

Oh yes, thats why they needed to be innoculated, but like any virus it could mutate and the innoulation does nto work against it.


No I doubt that. Yeah there is a chance but a very very very very very remote chance. Enclave spent decades working on it. They have super computers to test out any possability.
User avatar
Gavin boyce
 
Posts: 3436
Joined: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:19 pm

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:02 pm

They could also engineer in a Termination code too so the Virus doesn't have the time to mutate uncontrollably.
User avatar
Taylrea Teodor
 
Posts: 3378
Joined: Sat Nov 18, 2006 12:20 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:43 am

Plus it did in fact work! you can convince the dr to release the airborne FEV into the oil rigs air system and it starts to kill all the non PA wearing people on the base! So there yo ugo Rook ingame evidence that the airborne FEV works!

Are you compairing an oil rig to the whole world. Please tell me you are not.

I ll use caps so maybe someone will see this.

I AM NOT QUESTIONING IF FEV WORKS I AM QUESTIONING THE DELIVERY METHOD TO MAKE IT KILL EVERYONE LEFT ON THE PLANET.

It s not that easy. THE PROJECT WAS DESTROYED SO IT IS NOT FACT THAT IT WOULD KILL EVERY ONE ON EARTH ANY WAY BECAUSE IT WAS NOT RELEASED.
User avatar
Emily abigail Villarreal
 
Posts: 3433
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:38 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:36 pm

No I doubt that. Yeah there is a chance but a very very very very very remote chance. Enclave spent decades working on it. They have super computers to test out any possability.

these are the same people that thought issuing a bunch of social experiments that would beneefiti them, while they were, simultaneously living out the scenario where it could help them. I'm just saying.. not too rational, those guys.

Here is the thing though.
If they had actually carried out the plan, every new generation would ahve to be innoculated.
Every new generation would mutate naturally, as any species does/has done. Without knowing what those mutations will be, how can they possibly test out "any possibility"
combine that with viruses naturally mutating? at the least they would have to be perpetually making a new innoculation.

It does bering about a great nefarious scenario though, where the enclave gets selective about its ranks/citizens and some dont get the right stuff.. ooops.
User avatar
Dalley hussain
 
Posts: 3480
Joined: Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:45 am

Post » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:34 pm

It would burn itself out over time. With no one left aka a Host. The virus will just die. So future Enclave would not have to worry about needing more inoculations. They let out the virus. It spreads and it kills. Everyone dead the virus dies off. Enclave wait a decade or two just to be safe and the world is theirs.
User avatar
Judy Lynch
 
Posts: 3504
Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:31 am

PreviousNext

Return to Fallout Series Discussion