nah.. its still completely wihtin reason to assume that people would be mutated enough that the FEV wouldnt kill them ,as they are not technically human, but they could still carry the FEV. Its an unknown.. youd ahcve to collect human specimins from every corner of every country to know how FEV would work on everyone.... given the enclaves surpize over mutants being there, i dont think they really looked into it either.

No its not with in reason. It was modded FEV that would kill everyone mutated or not. Even the smallest amount of human DNA in your system would be a death sentence. It was designed that way. I am sure the Enclave ran tests to make sure during the decades they worked on it.

And like anything it would mutate, it could mutate to live off of animals, plants, etc... You cannot test random mutation because it is random.

It is not even a question that the enclave could not have canvassed the entire planet looking for all post- war variations of the human genome.
they didnt even know what was up in california for over a hundred years and it was on the same coast they were based off of.

They cannot provide the parameters of what a mutated human is and because of this they cannot say that all mutated humans would be killed.

Virus just don't mutate instantly. It needs a host. The Virus kills really facts. Not enough time for it to mutate.

CannibalClub: yeah I guess its possible that there could be a mutant out there that came from humans that does not have even one strand of human DNA left but I would place the odds at a one in a hundred trillion.

hahah well you cant really lay those odds, but its cool im not ning for probable, just possible.

They do howeveer mutate relatively quickly, I never said anythign about instantly.

I am just saying without a host the virus can't mutate. The Virus kills the people, 100% fatal. It will kill everyone before it has a chance to mutate and without more hosts, it will burn itself out.

Do we know that no other organisms can host it or do we just know that it only kills people?

Info on it says it only kills people anything with human DNA.

i ask because it logical that all of the non human life left could still potentially be hosts/carriers where the virus would most likely naturally mutate over time rendering any innoculations useless or causing death to other life aside from humans. these are all scenarios that the enclace couldnt really test practically ubless they had sna sampling from every possible species.ps ive been drinking and am on a phone pardon the more than usual typos

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The various flu viruses mutate while it gestates. Before the host even realises he or she is ill, it's already slightly different than the previous host. It's one of the reasons the flu can't be annihilated like other viruses. I'm sure that the Enclave prepared for that, but life has a funny way of biting in the ass when it comes to artificially created creatures.

If the Flu killed all it infected it would have died out long ago. The Enclave Virus kills 100% and it kills fast. Its a super virus created by "Science!" Without a host it can't survive. Once all the people are dead it will die.

As for the idea it could find another creature to live in. I find it unlikely. There arn't that many creatures left to start with. "Science" can be used in this case to say it would just kill humans and human mutations then die out as intended. If you don't buy it, then "Science" can be used to create a one shot inoculation. Some inoculations do get pasted down by the parents to their kids. Only every other generation or so may need to take the inoculation again.

Enclave scientests can test the remaining life and if they detect the virus they can use "science" to get ride of it. I am sure the Enclave would test anything from the main land before they put it into their bodies.

Ebola kills pretty gorram quickly too, but it's still prevalent in certain parts of the world; BUT that's because it's capable of using other species as a carrier. So, this reason (if taking specific genetic writing on the biologist's part into perspective) would be a moot point.

Hmmmm.... I suppose if it's written in that if the virus is inhaled/ingested by another species, instead of attaching on to and infecting the host it self destructs (consumes it self.) The virus would need a ridiculous half life after being released to achieve global wipe out. I mean, if it weren't for global travel (planes, trains, and auto-mobiles) then we never would have had to worry about SARS and other exotic illnesses. The UV radiation from sun light alone, while the virus is in transit thru the atmo, would kill it off long before it crossed any ocean. And if the FEV was spreading via jet stream it would die even quicker (the higher you go into the atmosphere, the more UV bombardment you get.)

But like you said, "SCIENCE" trumps reality. Gotta love Fallout, anything is possible.

"Science" is pretty great.

Not sure if most people know Warhammer 40k that well but I picture the Enclaves' virus to be alot like the "Life Eater Virus" from 40k but it only kills human and human like life.

If it can live on other life I am sure the Enclave would test for it. They would find a cure for it maybe after their goal of killing the mutations is complete. Some way to counter the virus that managed to stay alive in the wild by finding another host.

Not a lot of creatures left to being with? how am i geting all of that XP for killing creatures in the wastes then? and thats just reigional. we dont even know what numbers of creatures live worldwide.

I just dont see it as practical to test all the remaining life on the planet, considering we are still finding new species still to this day, with a much bigger net cast than the enclaves numbers could cast.

"SCIENCE!" is great. but in this case, imunna have to go with regular science.



Science! is indeed great int he FUniverse. but i dont think it shold be over used to explain away what could be considered plot-holes.

I really don't understand what you are argueing here, the virus kills humanoid life, it did in F3 too; I think that the Enclave may have thought ahead when it came to the virus mutating, maybe it dies in certain conditions :shrug: who knows. In a world were explosions can defy real science just because they came from a nuclear powered car I am going to assume that their was a way and that the Enclave cracked it.

well the FEV in F3 was different than the FEV in F2, but i dont think it had all that much long term thought put into it either.


it is entirely possible they engineered it to be effective only for their means. but there isnt any data to support having a shut off, or inability to be carried in other organisms and given the enclaves track record with not really thinking things out, i am inclined to believe that they did not in this case, either.

FEV in F3 was clearly another version of Curling-13, in fact Eden even says that it was based on it. There is no evidence to disprove it either, they perfected the virus for 70 years and I see no reason why they, in that length of time, didn't plan for most eventualities.

And track record?

Seriously you can't perfect a livign organism, because it mutates and changes itself. A virus is in fact RNA (also DNA) and it self replicates, every new version si different from the last, I dont see it hard to believe that it could live off of one of millions of species on earth and then be turned back upon the Enclave itself.

Look, the virus kills the human being in several hours, then it dies out; why is that so difficult to believe? Do you really think that they would spend 70 years creating a virus just to have it backfire? You know they've tested it on human subjects, of both the pure and non-pure variety, and know full well what it's capable of. Somehow I get the impression that if we were talking about an NCR super-curing virus there wouldn't be so much pesicism and scorn.

Okay, maybe you dont understand me, the delivery system for the virus is via the jetstream. This goes all around the world, humans, animals adn even plant life would breathe it in, once inside somethign ti does nto kill, ala plants, animals, it inhabits their cells, as a virus does, and begins to replicate. With each new generation of the virus, it mutates, and could possibly come back as a virus that could kill people who were innoculated because you have nto been innoculated for this version of teh virus.

I do understadn that it would kill basically every human, I'm just saying since it does not kill every single thing, there is a chance that it could backfire.

I am not talking about numbers. There could be billions of mole rats. I am talking about biodiversity, the number of different species out there. From the Fallout 2 intro we learn "The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life." Maybe billions of mole rats out their but if the virus does not live in them it will die out.

I see it as very practical the Enclave would test everything they come across. I am not saying they will sent people around the world testing every plant and animal. Just what is in their area they want to live. They are a patient people and I could easily see them sending robots to test every plant and animal for hundreds of miles around an area they want to live.

I don't see it as a plot hole. I see it as people trying to use real world science to undo "science." Its one of those things that just need to be accepted. There is no way you can make AI with Vacuum tubes and transistors but Fallout has smart Robots. Radation does not make Ghouls, yet we have ghouls. Simple to believe that the Enclave made a super virus that only targets humans and human mutation. A virus that will burn itself out once it kills all the people.

But look at the way the virus works, it goes inot the jet stream, it is airborne and is breathed in by the target. Anything that breathes will ingest the virus adn it will infect the target, whether it kills it or not is different. And if it does not kill its target then it will mutate inside of the target.