We know it kills its target. Its 100% fatal. Means 100% of the time it will kill the person that breaths it in. No time for it to mutate because it kills very fast. Its a fictional super duper virus created over decades, designed to kill all human life. Once all human life is dead it will burn itself out.

People need to stop using real world science to try to undo "Science" set in the game. Devs made it clear it would kill eveyone everywhere on the earth not give the inoculation. End of story!

Jimney Crickets, Im saying it will mutate in the animals that it infects because it does not kill them :facepalm:

Im not undoing your fantabulous `Science!` As a matter of fact I am wholeheartedly embracing it. :facepalm:

Virus will go into creatures that it can't kill and die. Simple as that. If you still believe it will mutate, there is a great chance it can mutate into something harmless to humans.

Glad you embrace "Science" :foodndrink:

There is that chance as well.



mostly i wanted to devils advocate the idea of the virus not simply burning out, just because it kills all people that weren't innoculated.
theres no chance that it burning out from a lack of people can be said with certainty, because its not possible for the enclave to fully investigate all of the scnearios that can play out, globally.

What, hwo do yuo explain this, just because the virus can not kill them does not mean ti will not infect them. Your right the virus might ebcome a mere cold.

So a carrier of the virus? "science" could make it so it does not survive in anything but humans. Which it would not live long, for it kills to fast.

That’s a perfect impossibility, sometimes this Science! stuff t’s me off. That’s not possible specifically if it is airborne which it is, it would infect anything that breathed it in.

So is much of the Fallout Universe. :shrug:

Viruses in real life can be programmed to effect people of one race. Thats why biological warfare is a greater threat then nuclear. You can program a virus to only go after people with B+ blood types. If they can do that now I don't see why its so hard to imagine a virus that only kills people. If the virus is only designed to enter and multiply in human cells it will not find home in an animals cells.

I guess this is true.

Viruses can also be written to self destruct (consume itself) if it is inside a non-compatible host. This type of yield (infection and vector rates) would most likely never happen in nature, because virile pathogens mutate to spread and infect more hosts (blood borne turns to airborne, airborne turns to cross species infection, etc...) Now if the BASE virus is designed to self-destruct with in a host that it is not targeted towards, then it is very possible for a complete die off of the virus when it has run out of compatible hosts. BUT then again, we have isolated pockets of humanity living on isolated islands (Madagascar for example) that would never be effected (the most virulent and easily spreadable illness "flu" was never introduced until white man brought it with them, much like smallpox and flu when we came to North America.)

Now, the virus could have been developed to specifically be resistant to UV; but the risk of the winds carrying it all the way across the oceans is still just shy of impossible. A virus can only live for so long outside of a living host before going kaput.

FEV is not just a virus its also some kind of chemical as well. Thats why its a glowing green goo in large vats. "Science" is the answer here, don't fight it. :fallout:

{211}{}{The F.E.V. toxin will only attack to humans, leaving everything else alive, better still, within a month all the mutants will be dead and the F.E.V. toxin will die out as soon as it runs out of hosts. }

{214}{}{You're right, there aren't. But we don't need them. We have a release system that will spray the F.E.V. toxin straight from the vats to the outside atmosphere. The jetstream will take care of the rest. Global saturation within two weeks.}

{216}{}{Yes, two weeks for the virus to spread, another month or so for it to run its course and then the United States will be ready for recolonization by real humans. Our species will have been saved.}

From the mouth it's creator, Lieutenant Colonel Doctor Charles Curling himself. The Enclave clearly planned for the virus to die out, not just release it and hope for the best.

My assumption is that should the Enclave have successfully used their virus, they would have wiped out all of humanity exposed to radiation. Assuming that the Enclave wears its Power Armor to prevent exactly sort of exposure, this would mean that the entire sum of humanity would be only those people sealed in Vaults like Vault-101 and the Enclave itself.

So presumably over 99.9999% of humanity.

Assuming nothing went wrong (they HAVE been preparing for seventy years), this would result in the following:

1. Humanity's survival chances would become far less likely. A single outbreak of disease, monster attack, equipment failure, or so on could destroy enough humanity to make survival impossible.

2. Rebuilding the Earth would take far far far longer. The problem with reconstruction is creating new infrastructure. NCR has only managed to rebuild California in a century and it has a far larger population than the Enclave.

I'd say rebuilding would take, at least, ten thousand years or so. On average.

3. Vast swaths of human knowledge would be wiped out and any information not stored by the Enclave would be lost.

4. Positive: The complete cultural uniformity of humanity would mean an end to all wars until humanity split in two.

5. The issue of Mutated Animals, Deathclaws, Rogue Robots, and so on would still be in existence.

6. Positive: All hostile Feral Ghouls and Super Mutants would be eliminated.

7. Humanity would have a drastically smaller genetic diversity. This means greater vulnerability to disease, potential for inherited negative genetic conditions, and larger potential for recessive gene problems.

8. Positive: The Enclave would have unopposed access to any technology or resources like libraries guarded or horded by other parties.

9. Positive: The Enclave may or may not have Mister House's support (more likely not since they've murdered the entire population of New Vegas). At the very least, he'd be protected in cryostasis and be capable of interacting with the Enclave.

10. The Enclave would probably make an attempt to get in touch with all surviving Vaults. This would, at the time of Fallout 2, include a few vaults in the Mojave and Vault-101.

So humanity would actually maybe have a small chance of survival if they could get their cooperation. Unfortunately; it would introduce insane gun-toting Rednecks (The Boomers Vault), Compulsive Gamblers, Crazed Botanists, and Isolationist Weirdos into the Enclave's gene pool.

This, potentially would mean the Enclave would have to go to war AGAIN with survivors (their massacre of the Vault family in Fallout 2's opening inclines me to believe the Enclave would massacre the Vault survivors as opposed to protect them).

The virus in Fallout 2 doesn't target anything other than humanoid creatures, a vaccine is required to survive it's effects.



That is an error on my part, they have been planning it for eight years; though they learned of the Mariposa Military Base 70 years ago.



An obvious problem would, of course, be a very low population; but this only increases time and ties in with some of your positives.



I don't understand the differene between this and eight, almost all of the post-war world's knowledge has came from the pre-war world.


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I imagined that they would not; House's Vegas would never be built and he would have very little to offer the Enclave, in-fact he would really be able to do anything.



I would imagine that they would protect them, I've just played Fallout 2 earlier to-day; when talking to Richardson and wearing a Vault 13 Jumpsuit he says:

"Ah Vault 13; your are performing an invaluable sacrifice for your country."

The massacre at the begining could simply be put down to Enclave soldiers doing what they do, Richardson treats you with distain when he knows your a tribal but as a hero when he thought you were from Vault 13. I think however that yes, those brought from the unopened Vaults could severly interfer with the typical culture of the Enclave; if not cause a conflict.

That I must say is wrong. At first the Enclave would be all together but as they spread out across the globe, people adn their greed would start to take over. The Enclave building up in a differetn aprt would be lead by another leader, he would want more power adn might split off from the Enclave, yes they all have the same goal right now but afterwords thy will splinter into different pieces.

Yeah and how long would that possibly take given the Enclave's current population? Centuries at the very least, saying that that is a downside because eventually they must splinter is like saying nothing matters because one day this planet will no longer exist. Why would they anyway, distance doesn't mean anything? They wouldn't be led by a different leader because there is only one President whom is elected.

Human right nwo in America alone cannot get along, as soon as their population becomes large enough and they are no longer a military organisation with oen goal, that being FEVing averyone, poeple will have different ideals as to where the nation should head. Once they spread across the globe some would question why we owe allegiance to the ENCLAVE. Im just saying it si human nature to want more power, to be ones own person, and therefore i believe that they would splinter.

Actually, New Vegas shows that there's dissent even within the Enclave. I wonder how Cannibal Johnson and Daisy Whitman felt about the whole thing or were the rank and file kept informed of the FEV project's full intent?

I see no reason why not, even those damn Remnants still say that they miss being in the Enclave and having a purpose; Whitman can say whatever she wants about "Just wanting to fly" but at the end of the day she knew that she was dropping off a squad of massively armed men in a military gunship to stomp on something that probably didn't deserve it. Same with Kreger, when he wasn't being an Enclave Patrolmen (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/ECELVPAT.MSG in Fallout 2) he was flying off to complete those missions.

There's nothing to suggest that Johnson and all of those didn't come to those beliefs after the destruction of the ENCLAVE; something like that could really only enforce the loyalty of some or shatter it.

In any event however, they http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/State_of_the_Nation about to be told about it, and I think Richardson (possibly on his 6th term if the Bible is canon) would know whether his people could handle it; I however would interperate it as if they knew due to the past tense used "at times is seemed impossible". It seems to me like he has been keeping his people informed and that this is the victory speech.

Why would it be a secret, there are two deserters in Fallout 2, Meyers who is opposed to the Enclave and Doctor Henry who isn't really all that ethical, remember his quest where he justifies to a potentially outraged Chosen One by saying that "Technically it did cure mutations, just too violently", the only thing that seems to phase him is the fact that his science didn't work. If they didn't tell them then who would the ruins of Shady Sands be explained, or the other mainlander settlements? Besides, going by Richardson's dialouge we can garner that the Enclave actually thought that most of the mainland was a "radioactive hell".

I actually agree with them on this and wonder personally why they think the FEV virus is in any respect a good idea. I'm glad to see that several generations of the Enclave didn't think their whole "End of the World" plague was a good idea and that it was mostly a recent act. Really, the radioactivity is the big issue since if FEV only effects humanoids then essentially the virus is going to do nada to the vast majority of problems.

It's not like Super Mutants are an on-going threat. Feral Ghouls? Perhaps. However, I wonder how much of a threat they are to be people in power armor.

According to your interpretation, the FEV virus will still leave: Mirelurks, Radscorpions, Giant insects, Giant Ants, and all the toxicity that makes the world such a horrible place.

I don't get personally how FEV viruses will make the world a better place save for the loss of the minor Super Mutant population remaining and the Feral Ghouls. Oh and the Trogs in the Pitt.

It doesn't cure the radiation and the Enclave doesn't have a replacement set of "pure strain animals" to replace the ones lost.

But those generation before certainly did nothing else, despite them actually finding Mariposa 70 years before hand; in-fact I would agrue that the past generations are the one's responsible for the Enclave's current attitude. Richardson is willing to die for the Project and even says that "If you do, I'll go to my reward knowing that I died a patriot and a servant of humanity"; and he is clearly above the propaganda, whilst the Enclave Troopers are flat-out racist to you - before killing you - Richardson describes it as an unfortunate and necessary sacrifice for the return of true humanity. He was however never immune.

Really that's the point, the Enclave wants the return of the human race, Richardson just says that America will be the progenitor of that rebirth. All of the mutated animals will just be the wildlife of the new world; their goal is not about making the world better but saving humanity. They think that their plan will garuantee it's survival.

Undoubtedly given they were the ones who seem to have built up the xenophobic attitude of the modern Enclave.



Yes, to be honest, I'm still stunned at them coming up with such a stupid definition of humanity. Ethnic divisions are, of course, based more on people's ancestry than anything else but the exposure to Radiation Definition is peculiar because unless the Enclave stays on the Oil Rig forever then they're going to be exposed themselves. Thus, all I can think is that they intend to remain on the Oil Rig until the Radiation vanishes.

Note - I know they're innoculated against FEV exposure. It's just that it won't keep them immune to Radiation Exposure. They'll become "Divergent" no matter what. Given that Vault City does extensive testing against Mutation, it's also questionable if radiation exposure actually does any mutations with the majority of humanity. The only actual mutation in the game comes if you tromp around the caves in the Gecko lands.

In which case, bluntly, it's just a hate crime which has no particular benefit AT ALL to the rebuilding process.



That's just erroneous because nothing about annihilating the Radiation Humanity will guarantee humanity's survival. This is about destroying the non-humans (in the Enclave's eyes), not saving humanity. The Enclave literally benefits nothing from the destruction in any shape or form from their perspective except as a way of removing the nonhumans.

Well they have confirmed in their laboratories that radiatoin does introduce changes - you know like it has done with pretty much every other living creature in the game - , even if they admit that the changes are in-fact very subtle - which they admit. The whole point of getting the people from Vault 13 & Arroyo was to compare the changes between pure-strain humans and then mutants from the same line, but that was 80 years before hand and the majority of the world seems to be relatively free frmo widespread radiation now. Besides, they have Navarro, which I assume, was established after they confimed that the mainland was safe to inhabit outside of airtight suits; perhaps the reason that they waited for such a long time between finding Mariposa and then excavating it?



Well it does, they believe that the numbers of the mutants would hinder them and eventually destroy them. What would be the point of destroying non-humans if it had no purpose? Richardson and the Enclave aren't idiots, they could have planned maticuluously what they would do once the mutants were gone. In the Enclave's eyes it is about saving the human race, whether we - with all the facts - agree ot not.

Enclave is pretty much nailing it on the head from my understanding of there motives. Also Most of the threats you listed are non-intelligent threats. They would post much less threat then humanoid mutants. Also compare how tough Giant ants are in FO1/2 to a PA or even Metal armored opponent with a spear much less a Gun. Also who knows maybe the Enclave had whole secret vaults that stored plants and Livestock for "recolonization". Actually for both versions of that "Recolonization" if you take the version of them going into space. I would imagine they had access to the research at the plant vault in NV.