A few problems/Questions. : IV

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:20 pm

First. I'll post my modlist. As this whole topic I think relates to it.

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Oblivion.esmCobl Main.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmMart's Monster Mod.esmMart's Monster Mod for OOO.esmKvatch Rebuilt.esmDA Run Fatigue.esmCM Partners.esmHorseCombatMaster.esmShieldOnBack.esmCobl Races TNR.espCobl Races TNR SI.espBeautiful_Women_NiceOnly.espBeautiful_Women_DB_Addon.espBeautiful_Women_SI.espBeautiful_Women_Vampires_50.espBeautiful_Women_NotSoNice_Bonus.espHandsome_Gents_SI.espHandsome_Gents_Vampires_50.espHandsome_Gents_Bonus.espUnofficial Oblivion Patch.espUOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.espOblivion Citadel Door Fix.espDLCShiveringIsles.espNatural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.espNatural_Water_by_Max_Tael.espRAEVWD Cities.espRAEVWD Imperial City.espLiving Economy.espLiving Economy - Items.espCutthroat Merchants.espStreamline 3.1.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCOrrery.espDLCVileLair.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCSpellTomes.espDLCThievesDen.espCobl Glue.espCobl Si.espCobl Tweaks.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espOOO-Water_Weeds.espOOO-Map_Markers_Stock.espOOO 1.32-Cobl.espMart's Monster Mod for OOO.espMart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.espMart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.espMart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.espMart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.espMart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.espMart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.espMart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.espMMM-Cobl.espKvatch Rebuilt.espKvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp24HrArenaAliveV2.espDLCFrostcrag.espKnights.espMart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .espNatural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.espHarvest [Flora].espHarvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.espHarvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.espHUD Status Bars.espClass Advantages.espUnlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.espkuerteeAlternativesToDeathAndReload.espTuStartingOptions_01.espDA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.espDA Sprint.espRealisticHealth.espMidasSpells.espMidas OscuroGems.espMidas Betterholy.espMidas Reduced Costs Quarter.espMart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.espMidas PowDur2x.espMidas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.espSM Combat Hide.espSM Bounty.espCoblDeathFix.espEnhanced Grabbing.espDenock Arrows.espDeadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.espMounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.espDeadly Reflex Bow Sway.espSW01Plus.espSP1stPLegs.espCuteElf11.espIce Elves and Wolf Elves.espIDKRRR_C_race.espChocolate Elves.espCM Partners.espCM Partners Special NPCs.espCM Partners NPC.espCM Partners More NPCs.espCM Partners Marker NPCs.espCM Partners Extra NPCs.espCobl Races - Balanced.espDeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.espCobl Silent Equip Misc.espEvantal's Dual Wielding.esp

As for my OBSE plugins, I have:
Fastexit2
NifSE
OBGE
Elys Uncapper
MenuQue
Oblivion Stutter Remover
weOCPS

My first problem. Is a face bug I have. It seems quite odd. Like the mouths are showing through from a distance. Hard to describe. Which is why I took pictures. http://i55.tinypic.com/16axtog.jpg http://i56.tinypic.com/6gygw9.jpg
Hard to take a picture of it, cause close up it looks fine. But from any distance greater than the one in the pic, it messes up.

Any help with that problem would be darn skippy.

I also have another bug. With the menu. It's seemed to subside lately, and confined to only one place. The load menu. This only happens at the main menu, and not the other load menus. http://i52.tinypic.com/160pus5.jpg While not utterly terrible. Would help to figure out a way to fix it.

I'd also like to see if someone would be willing to go over my modlist, and see which mods are pretty much....pointless I guess? Not needed. Stupid, or otherwise cheaphax. lol.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:06 am

Some tips:

Get the Unofficial Patches. They fix a LOT of extra bugs, though I'm not sure if any issues such as yours are fixed since I haven't personally seen those before. Get them here:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5296 (Think you should avoid the exe-installer if using vista/win7)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10739 - See above
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9969 - See above
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=27710 - Install after the rest, many additional fixes here

Edit: Saw now you had the UOP, but not the USIP or UOMPs. So get the missing ones, and update the UOP to latest version. Should be 3.3.3.

Also I'd suggest getting a building a bashed patch with Wrye Bash, might very well fix the issues you're having.

Oh and since you asked to look over the load order, here's some more tips:
Get rid of the Natural Environments pack (keep Natural habitat though if you want, but get rid of the rest). Get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18305 instead, it includes the Natural Weather amongst other things, and is still being maintained and updated. Works much better.
Denock Arrows isn't needed with COBL, so can get rid of that. You can enable the feature from the COBL options in your inventory ingame.
Midas OscuruGems.esp is very oudated as far as I'm aware, and think I remember it causing issues with later versions of Midas. Not 100% sure though.
Drop the citadel door fix and UOP vampire fix. Use the tweak in wrye bash for the vampire fix instead when building your bashed patch.

Hm what else... Since I can't see versions of the mods from your posted load order (if you rightclick in wrye bash and choose List Mods then copy/paste that info we can see versions of many mods too, very useful!) but make sure you have the latest versions, can't hurt. That means MMM 3.73b3, OOO 1.34b5, COBL 1.73, OBSE v20 (v19b should be fine for the mods you use though I think), MenuQue 7 etc. Quite possibly more things that could be improved in your loadorder, but alot of those mods I don't know about. Finally (which i think you might already do though), remember to use BOSS to get a better load order.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:09 am

Odd. I do have that. Why didn't it show that....

Nvm.

Edit: MMM is fully updated, but OOO is only 1.33. COBL is only 1.72. odd.

I've never actually used Wyre Bash. o-o" So, I have no clue how it works or anything.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 6:46 am

Odd. I do have that. Why didn't it show that....

Nvm.

Edit: MMM is fully updated, but OOO is only 1.33. COBL is only 1.72. odd.

I've never actually used Wyre Bash. o-o" So, I have no clue how it works or anything.

Updated my first post a little bit, but here's some more:

OOO 1.34b5 -> http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15256. It's a very important update when you're playing MMMforOOO.
COBL 1.73 -> http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21104, get the file called Loot-Drop-Merchant changes Proposal. I'd also recommend getting the MMM-Cobl update from the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1116296-relz-martsmonstermod37b3-public-release-3-relz/. (Direct link for download: http://www.4shared.com/file/149656474/a6bb36c9/MMM-Cobl.html)
Oh, and don't use COBL Tweaks.esp when using that file, as everything from that file is implemented into it. From the MMM thread:

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*Requires Cobl - Loot-Drop-Merchant changes Proposal listed under Misc Downloads

Do Not Use FCOM_Cobl patch or Cobl Tweaks with this,

*Intergrated all feature from Cobl Tweaks has needed into MMM Version, users do not need Cobl Tweaks anymore with MMM Cobl.
*Fixed all Liches to have correct faction added to them from 3.7b3 Changes
*Fixed Inventory on many creatures that where not set correctly to match MMM lvls
*Load before MMM/MMMforOOO/FCOM Knights in load order, so that mmm cobl items get imported correctly and Knights patch work correctly.

As for Wrye Bash, it's really quite simple although it might not look like it at first. There's an excellent pictorial guide for it http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230 made by alt3rn1ty. I do believe a bashed patch is the best bet to fixing the issues you're having, as long as it's done properly. On top of the pictorial guide, > http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=bashed_patch < link might be useful too. Be careful with the Import Names function however, you ONLY want to check the boxes for mods you actually there. I personally also import the Guard Names.csv on top of that.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:08 pm

After doing everything. Correctly I believe. Both the problems still persist. I may consider doing a complete reinstall of Oblivion and trying from there to see what I can do.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:06 am

After doing everything. Correctly I believe. Both the problems still persist. I may consider doing a complete reinstall of Oblivion and trying from there to see what I can do.

Post a current load order via Wrye Bash by rightclicking on the fileheader under Mods-tab > list mods > copy/paste that info here. Might spot something there that's out of whack, much easier when I can see the versions. Can't guarantee anything though ofcourse.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:36 am

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]05  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]06  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm07  DA Run Fatigue.esm08  CM Partners.esm09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  ShieldOnBack.esm  [Version 3.3]0B  Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp**  Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp**  Beautiful_Women_SI.esp**  Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp**  Beautiful_Women_NotSoNice_Bonus.esp**  Handsome_Gents_SI.esp**  Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp**  Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0F  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp10  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]11  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]12  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]13  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]14  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]15  Living Economy.esp16  Living Economy - Items.esp17  Cutthroat Merchants.esp18  Streamline 3.1.esp19  DLCHorseArmor.esp1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCVileLair.esp1C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1D  DLCSpellTomes.esp1E  DLCThievesDen.esp1F  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]20  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]21  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]22  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]23  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]24  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]25  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]26  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp27  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp28  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp29  DLCFrostcrag.esp2A  Knights.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]2B  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp2C  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]2D  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]2E  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]2F  Class Advantages.esp  [Version 1.01]++  Prox - Arena Loot v1.1.esp30  Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp31  kuerteeAlternativesToDeathAndReload.esp32  TuStartingOptions_01.esp++  DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp33  DA Sprint.esp34  RealisticHealth.esp35  MidasSpells.esp36  Midas OscuroGems.esp++  Midas Betterholy.esp++  Midas Reduced Costs Quarter.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp++  Midas PowDur2x.esp37  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp38  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]39  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]++  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]3A  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]3B  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp3C  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp3D  Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp3E  SP1stPLegs.esp3F  CuteElf11.esp  [Version 1.3.5]**  _Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp40  Ice Elves and Wolf Elves.esp41  IDKRRR_C_race.esp42  Chocolate Elves.esp43  CM Partners.esp44  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp45  CM Partners NPC.esp46  CM Partners More NPCs.esp47  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp48  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp49  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]4A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp4B  Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp  [Version 2.5c]

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:49 am

Doh, can't spot anything else I'm afraid. Well, you should probably re-add Cobl Si.esp and Cobl Glue.esp - was only Cobl Tweaks.esp you needed to remove when adding the latest MMM-Cobl.esp. Also something else I forgot to mention, get rid of Living Economy and get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25078 instead. Same reasons as for getting All Natural over Natural Environments.

Also, still no unofficial patches for DLCs in the loadorder - though I see you have the latest supplemental for vanilla and Shivering Isles now atleast which is good - but deffo add the ones for other DLCs too.

I doubt any of this will fix your issues however.. Hopefully someone else can spot something I missed, since like I mentioned there's a good number of mods I have never tried there so I can't say if they possibly mess things up for you or not. The files I have no idea about are:

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0A  ShieldOnBack.esm  [Version 3.3]0B  Beautiful_Women_NiceOnly.esp**  Beautiful_Women_DB_Addon.esp**  Beautiful_Women_SI.esp**  Beautiful_Women_Vampires_50.esp**  Beautiful_Women_NotSoNice_Bonus.esp**  Handsome_Gents_SI.esp**  Handsome_Gents_Vampires_50.esp**  Handsome_Gents_Bonus.esp28  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp++  Prox - Arena Loot v1.1.esp30  Unlimited Rings 2.0 -auto.esp++  DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp33  DA Sprint.esp

You should try starting a new game with all the changes you've made and see if the issue persists then, before you try the re-installing option.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:22 pm

Have a look at http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1154209-relz-wrye-bash-thead-57/page__st__160__p__16926046#entry16926046 btw about the bashed patch to make sure you get it 100% right - excellent post that Waruddar just made to explain it all in a bit more detail.

» Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:47 am

I did everything right. But now I've done a full reinstall. Still had the load menu problem....so I figured as a last ditch effort, I'd move my .ini so it can regen a new one. The .ini was the source of the problem for the Load menu. Gonna start a new game real quick, see if the face problem is still there, before I remod.

Edit: Turns out, the .ini was the cause of both the problems. Odd. But, fixed now. I didn't HAVE to reinstall. But honestly, it was for the best. Because I don't remember what mods I had installed in OB before. So I've got a clean slate now. =3

P.S. For a laugh, I'll tell you a quick story. Loaded up the launcher after moving the .ini, launcher detected video settings, and slapped me in the face by setting it to VERY LOW. Provided, when I loaded up Fallout New Vegas for the first time, it set the settings to Ultra high. No idea why it decided to set my settings so low. My computer can handle Oblivion at high settings.