A Few Questions about Aedra and Daedra

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:25 pm

Why do you say it wouldn't be a mortal anymore? What is your basis for that? Isn't a mortal just a person who dies after a predetermined amount of time?

Very well, it is mortal. You seem to have this figured out for yourself. Did you try to answer your own question before posting it? There's no name to be given it. A mortal modeled by all the Aedra and Daedra just doesn't exist, so I'm sorry if I'm a bit confused, but you'll understand, because that sort of scenario can't happen, I have no way of ever fully knowing what the result of a Daedra and Aedra modeled mortal would be, and I think you can sympathize with me for not having your answer, just you have limited answers for the questions others may ask you.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:22 pm

Very well, it is mortal. You seem to have this figured out for yourself. Did you try to answer your own question before posting it? There's no name to be given it. A mortal modeled by all the Aedra and Daedra just doesn't exist, so I'm sorry if I'm a bit confused, but you'll understand, because that sort of scenario can't happen, I have no way of ever fully knowing what the result of a Daedra and Aedra modeled mortal would be, and I think you can sympathize with me for not having your answer, just you have limited answers for the questions others may ask you.

Well it's the character in my fanfic, the one that I use when I play the game. I just want to know where you read that if the daedra created an elf on Tamriel, that it would automatically be immortal by default.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:44 am

I didn't, because it doesn't happen :P The Daedra cannot create mortals.

'Cut parts of ourselves off? And lose them? Forever? That's stupid! You'll be sorry! We are far smarter than you, for we will create a new world out of ourselves, but we will not cut it off, or let it mock us, but we will make this world within ourselves, forever ours, and under our complete control.'

But, at the same time, they sometimes looked with envy upon the Mortal Realms ... Thus do the Daedra Lords court and seduce certain amusing specimens of the Mortal Races ... 'Not only are you fools to mutilate yourselves,' ... 'But you cannot even keep the best pieces, which prefer the glory and power of the Daedra Lords to the feeble vulgarity of the mush-minded Aedra.'

-http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/monomyth.shtml#Cyrodiilic

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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 3:46 am

Ah, that's right! They "choose" to not create. And they don't, and most likely never will. But in my fanfic story, Boethia tricks Mara and Dibella into creating a mortal. And once the body and everything is created, the Daedra "change" the mortal to their own design, something to call their own. Think of it as like, a bunch of kids want to build a model airplane. But they don't want to spend their money to buy it nor spend the time to build it. So the kids(daedra) get their parents(aedra) to buy it for them and build the model (create this mortal). Once the model airplane is built, the kids them snatch the model airplane and begin painting it and "changing" it to look the way they want it to look.

Now that should work according to the lore of et'Ada right?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:24 pm

Well, Shezarr's song is the most basic of the Monomyth's excerpts, so if you're fiction gels with that, then yes, it could work. Its your fiction though, you can take liberties, so why not?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:15 pm

There's nothing that says the Daedra wouldn't corrupt a creation of the Aedra for their own purposes - again, Umaril is a prime example. Meridia powered him up but he was very much a child of the Eight. She didn't lose anything of herself in the process.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:58 pm

There's nothing that says the Daedra wouldn't corrupt a creation of the Aedra for their own purposes - again, Umaril is a prime example. Meridia powered him up but he was very much a child of the Eight. She didn't lose anything of herself in the process.

That's dandy, but creating doesn't equal corrupting, and the origional scenario behind the question was a mortal built by the daedra and aedra.

Edit: Again though, if you want to bend or break the lore in your fiction, its yours, so knock yourself out.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:22 pm

Well that's the thing, I don't want to break the lore. I've said before that I want to be as lore correct as possible. As far as I know, Dibella and Mara creating a mortal for certain reasons and then the daedra altering it and changing it according to their own design so as to not sacrifice their own selves seems to not break lore. But that's why I'm asking it on here in case there's some information I'm overlooking or missing or not aware of.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:17 pm

I'm pretty sure the answer you're looking for would be that the Daedra can create things, and it's true - they can. But they won't. It doesn't serve their wants or needs. They're the exact same type of being as the Aedra, with similar abilities but choose to operate very differently. The closest any of them come to creating anything is when they create diseases like vampirism or father children with mortals. This doesn't really break off pieces of them however, in the way that Aedra have been known to create worlds and races.


In the context of your story, a Daedra lord might be present at the creation of this being, but I doubt the Lord would sacrifice anything of him/herself. They may choose to corrupt the process - perhaps by disguising themselves as a mortal acolyte of the Aedra? But if anything this type of corruption only adds to the Daedra's power and realm, for when a corrupted mortal dies their soul goes to Oblivion, or so we're led to believe by in game dialogue and mechanics (such as Molag Bal having you curse the noble warrior to claim his soul, and of course all people slain by Mehrunes Razor)
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:10 am

Your soul goes to the Dreamsleeve, not Oblivion. Nobody really knows where or what exactly the dreemsleave is. I don't any ways.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:21 pm

Nobody knows exactly what it is, but you can understand a lot.

It is in Aeurthurius. When your soul goes there, it is stripped of your thoughts and feelings so that it is the force of life, but is basically mindless. this lets its next owner be something else. Only Mortals have souls, Mortals being Man, mer, beast folk, beast, Goblins, and Aedra. IMO your thoughts and brain get refined into magic an new blank souls, as to accomodate for a growing population.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:28 pm

What? Aedra aren't mortals; they're spirits, just like the daedra. Aedra and daedra are the exact same thing as far as origin; they just do things differently and thinking different and daedra didn't sacrifice their fingers and toes to creation. Kinda like Sith & Jedi in a way.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:29 pm

What? Aedra aren't mortals; they're spirits, just like the daedra. Aedra and daedra are the exact same thing as far as origin; they just do things differently and thinking different and daedra didn't sacrifice their fingers and toes to creation. Kinda like Sith & Jedi in a way.


The blood of Padomay became the Daedra. The blood of Anu became the stars. The mingled blood of both became the Aedra (hence their capacity for good and evil, and their greater affinity for earthly affairs than the Daedra, who have no connection to Creation).
-http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/anuad.shtml
Aedra consist of both Padomay and Anu, while Daedra are Padomaic. That's why there are similarities.
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