This is my first, and probably last post I will make in the lore section, so hang in there.

For a mod I'm working on, I'm making a set of staffs for various things, and someone suggested I make a staff with Nirn as the head, and the 2 moons circling it. So this brings me to my questions.

1. What is the general size relationship of the planet to the moons?
2. Which moon is further? Big red or small gray? (Sorry, cant think of names.)

And that should be all for now.

Thanks for your time

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nirn and its moons are infinite bubbles in a likewise infinite void (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml), so size and distance isn't really an issue. I think though that there is a representation of nirn + moons in the Orrery, you could check that out.

PS. the staffs are uber, nice to see mage characters have some nice toys to play with

Though we know Nirn is finite, I'm not too sure anyone knows the TRUE size of Nirn itself, so I don't really know if you can discern whether or not it is smaller or bigger than the other planets.

As for the moons, as I haven't played Oblivion extensively, I truly couldn't tell you...so this section of the post is useless... But I'm sure others will answer.

Well crap... Why did they have to make that part of the lore so... impossable.

And I looked at the orrery but there was only one planet with 2 moons, but the smaller moon circled the bigger moon... So that didnt make sence. Which one is it, the center? But that has 3... im confused!

So there really is no "size" of anything? So im better off just guessing at thier size and position?

Just make a wheel design with a central hub and eight spokes.

Well, to figure out which one's closer just http://mpg.planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/images/kdaywalker/kewlmoon.jpg

Solves that problem. Never noticed that in game.

It isnt impossible. Just very difficult for human brains to handle.

Best method is to think in mathematical abstraction terms.


One can have one infinity, containing two (or more) distinct infinities.


For example, we could say that the "space" associated with the sea of oblivion is equivalent to the sum of all real integers.

Inside this now mathematically bounded infinity, you can define other infinities, such as "All real numbers that are equally divisible by 3."

The greater infinity of all real integers can be contained within an even greater infinity, such as "the sum of all numbers, real and imaginary." All of these sets are truly infinite, but it is quite evident that one infinity can be both larger, and even contain another.


[Cosmology] asserts that these interrelated infinities appear as spherical bubbles to mortal minds, because the true conception of one infinity enveloping another is very difficult if not impossible for mortals.


Plane(t)s in the TES universe are similar, except they transcend simple mathematical descriptors. The relationships between them are however, anologous.

Of course since there's presumably been very little actual evidence in-game, it wouldn't hurt to take the cosmology texts with a grain of salt. I'm not saying they're not true, but I just doubt that they've actually got the instruments to prove what they say.

RLY?!? No wai!

I don't understand the purpose of your grain of salt, since it gets you nowhere at all, unless you are under the impression that vacillation if wisdom.

Because the only race that actually had decent-sized telescopes died out long ago. The rest has been mythology.

Their telescopes, however, didn't die with them. There's one on Stros M'kai that was being put to use 340 years ago.

What about the only two races with spaceships?

Dwemer having advanced technology now lies in the realm of mythology.

We no longer have crossbows...

The Simplicity of crafting a spear in comparison to a sword is lost to us...

Mages forgot how to fly....

Is the technological timeline of TESVerse backwards? :Confused Smilie:

I doubt the information came from Akatosh.

It came from the Sunbirds and Mananaughts. Akatosh?

Well, actually, the Zero Stone IS the impossipoint of the Conventions, which just goes to prove that not all mythic relationships are intuitively comprehensible to mortals. Most of them are like the ancient stories that created the laws of physics.

Oh and anyone can change the size of the moons with a simple tweak of the ini.

That are textures, so I would assume you would change those instead.

Anyhoo, I guess ill have to delve into the lore a bit. Man I hate reading... Thanks for all the help guys! (and gals?)

About the size of mars actually. There are longitude and lattitude markings on the Redgaurd map, so allong with the known 250 miles from Red Mountain to Mournhold you can calculate Nirns circumference.



You're looking at the wrong planet. The one in the center is Nirn. Nothing heliocentric around here.



Funny thing there. In a world where gods and magic are real you doubt the mythology? Where do I buy such cognitive dissociation?

Sum'[censored]... Well at least I learned something.