No way! The game allows to many doors to play strictly one thing. I'd try to be strictly Thief and I would accidentally implement a Mage characteristic into my person. That's why in ever class system you choose the character is always good at one spell. Even if you custom class it Is impossible to stay away from cross crossing to classes together.

As a pure mage, you can single handedly close any Oblivion gate using a single spell : Invisibility. Even at low levels you can do it with a simple 1s duration Invisibility spell.

I agree that the leveling was a huge part of holding it back.

(I've edited my original post to make more sense. It was badly formulated. My apologies.)

Ob wasnt balanced to a mage sans armor sans alot of health... yes a good player could do it.... but it wasnt set up with it in mind. This time it is. This time even new players should be able to play as a mage or thief or warrior and do fine.

I agree that the interpretation of his words are incorrect in this thread. Sounded like he is basically saying that if you follow the fighter guild quests, you will be rewarded with "warrior-friendly" RP-wise quests, items, etc. Same for thieves/mages.

That said, I think that in OB that mages were the only thing you could do "purely" and not struggle quite a bit. As I said earlier, I think warriors would be very difficult to play purely. Thief somehwere between the two extremes.

I pretty much just used his words to hype my hopes in this matter. I agree with you conserning the true meaning.

as others stated, I don't know what this "finally" is all about since it was not hard to pure anything in Oblivion, infact I beg quite the contrary for Skyrim.

If your Dovakiin, how can you be a pure thief or warrior when you have shouts? and of course as a mage would you not bring out a melee weapon when a Dragon closes the gap on you? just more Hype talk is all.

It is because of the shouts I think it will be a viable option. (What, because of shouts we are all mages now?)

And as I've said, I personally have problems going for a pure build in Oblivion. I don't talk for everyone.

I don't talk for everyone either really, Hybrids are supposed to be easy, they are able to address more situations then a solid fighter/theif/mage

in fact im pretty sure this system encourages Hybridazations







so as you see justlike Oblivion, trying to stay pure is even more so on the shoulders of players, and no less easier :toughninja:

MK.

Yes they do encourage Hybridizations, but I still think it will be easier to go "pure" this time.

Let's just go grab a :foodndrink:

Would Morrowind be any easier? Same need for healing and stat restore, some places required levitation, yes you could use cast on use items if you found them and you could not depend on just spells for healing as you run out of magic.
I have played a character in Oblivion who could not cast spells, possible and not to hard but annoying not to do simple things like heal your horse.
Pure mages are overpowered if you use weakness as part of your spells.

I sure hope we don't get a fireball or healing spell in our hands as we start the game though.

I hope its not limited to that.
That would be a bit too restrictive.
We would go from a game that had oodles of skills, attributes, classes to one that has 18, 0 and 3.
What about the battlemage, the paladin, the ranger, the bard etc?

So while I dont mind it being 'easier' (? Never was hard) to be a pure in one of the three classes, I sure hope the hybrids arent gone.

I'm playing a pure mage in Morrowind (first time I've ever done it), it's not hard at all. I'm not showing off, seriously. You only need one skill set.

It was certainly possible to go through MW and Oblivion without casting a spell. Maybe not without using a potion but in other RPGs fighters etc use potions or rely on other party members to heal them even when the game has rigid class limits. Skyrim looks like its going to reward you for specialising but since thats just going to be on the basis of highest skills theres no more (or less) reason to model your character on one of the traditional classes than before.

Todd makes it sound like they're trying to make the guilds feel more in line with the theme. As in Oblivion, you could be Archmage without having cast one spell. The Fighter's Guild and the Thieve's guild are a little harder to say "That's not how you do it!" because, well, Fighter's are mercenaries, and there's no rule saying a mage can't be a merc, and the Illusion college pretty much covers all aspects of a thief's life.

While there almost certainly won't be arbitrary "Skill checks" applied to the guilds, the quests themselves may have clever ways of really using a lot of the skills associated with the Warrior, Mage and Thief to make it seem like you can actually identify the guild through it's actions. Or maybe the changes could be more thematic, such as in Morrowind, where the Mage's Guild always felt like "The pursuit of knowledge" the Fighter's guild was definitely "We've got some contracts to fulfill" and the Thieve's Guild as I remember (I actually haven't played through the guild story but twice) was more akin to non-violent Fighter's guild quests, up until the proverbial poo hit the fan with the Comona Tong.

After the dragon interrupts your hanging (It will go down that way, I belive.)

Maybe you'll pass a guard post with the following items:

Book that teach you a simple fire spell
Wepons of different kinds
Different types of clothing and armour

Take all or choose a style.

First off afaik the possibility to go for a pure mage/warrior/rogue build is nothing new, this was doable in oblivion as well or am I wrong?

--> But now the more important topic is, why the hell do you guys still stick to these old rusty stereotypical roles? I think modern RPGs should take the path of hybrid characters to maximize possibilities and further enhance the experience of truly unique character cusomization.

Thats one of the main reasons I HATE rpgs, they always pretend to give the possibility of sooo much customization but if youre a tank, then youre a tank and nothing more -.-

Base Morrowind maybe. Wait until you tackle Tribunal or Bloodmoon.

In Tribunal it'll be painful until you face the Imperfect where it'll be very painful but still doable. In Bloodmoon you'll always suicide by spell reflect from riecklings or get killed in one hit by a werewolf. Oh and all monsters and NPCs in Bloodmoon walk at the speed of a racing car.

We are not being hanged It's guillotine style head off that will be our fate.

Anyhow, I don't think bethesda will put dragons into the picture that early in the game.

But the book that teaches a spell, I'd want to first read it and then when it asks "do you want to learn a simple fireball spell", I could choose no, just so that my pure warrior and pure thief won't have spells bothering in the inventory.

Those who could do it as a pure mage.. Did you manage it with stock spells or spells that worked like the stock spells or did you do it with stuff like inviso 15 seconds summon scamp spells and the like?

it should have been easiest with a pure mage, since you could just use invisability spells and run to the sigil stone un opposed.

Yeah I am pretty sure It is possible to do that anyway. Do you mean a pur warrior would have no magic at all??

In morrowind i went on a joy-trip to dagoth ur as a mage at level 2, managed pretty good.

My characters always end up somewhere between an assassin and a ranger.