Finally finished rebuilding Oblivion FCOM install, would lik : IV

» Tue Jul 19, 2011 3:10 am

So, I finally had time to sit down and finish rebuilding my Oblivion FCOM install. I used as a base to help me out the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1119325-50steps-to-stable-fcom/ and http://tescosi.com/wiki/Main_Page threads. Before I start playing seriously,I would like someone or multiple someones to go over my load list and tell me if I've installed anything in-correctly. Also, do you guys have any suggestions of mods to add to that list (quests, etc.) to further enhanced my FCOM experience? Anyway, without further ado, here's my load list via Wrye Bash 293:

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00 Oblivion.esm
01 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.3]
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 4.5bSI]
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]
05 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
07 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
08 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
09 Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0A Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0B Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0C Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 4.9.5]
0D CM Partners.esm
0E The Arsenal.esm
0F Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
10 Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.3.5]
12 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
13 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
14 SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp [Version 1.30]
15 Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]
16 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
19 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
1A FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp
1B FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1C FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1D FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1E Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp
1F All Natural.esp [Version 1.3]
20 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.3]
21 All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
22 Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]
23 PTAutumnTrees.esp
24 OBGE - Liquid Water.esp
25 Symphony of Violence.esp
26 Rainbows.esp
27 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.3]
28 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
29 ChaseCameraMod.esp
2A ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
2B PTFallingStars.esp
2C RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.9]
2D RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.7]
2E RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.9]
2F ReneersNotesMod.esp
30 VA_BetterGold.esp
31 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 5.4]
32 Display Stats.esp [Version 2.0.1]
33 Enhanced Seasons.esp [Version 1.3.2]
34 FormID Finder4.esp
35 Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp [Version 0.42]
36 Quest Log Manager.esp [Version 1.3.2]
37 Streamline 3.1.esp
38 Dynamic Map.esp [Version 2.0]
39 Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.9]
3A Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.5]
3B Enhanced Hotkeys.esp [Version 2.3]
3C DLCHorseArmor.esp
3D DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
3E Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp [Version 0.91]
3F SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp [Version 1.11]
40 DLCOrrery.esp
41 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
42 SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp [Version 1.11]
43 DLCVileLair.esp
44 DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
45 SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp [Version 1.21]
46 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
47 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
48 SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp [Version 1.30]
49 DLCSpellTomes.esp
4A DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
4B Book Jackets DLC.esp
4C GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
4D The Arsenal.esp
4E DLCThievesDen.esp
4F DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
50 SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp [Version 1.30]
51 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]
52 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
53 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
54 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
55 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
56 FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
57 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09]
58 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
59 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
5A OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
5B OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
5C ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
5D OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
5E FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
5F The Arsenal - Leveled Lists for OOO.esp
60 Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b1]
61 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
62 FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
63 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
64 FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
65 FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
66 FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp [Version 0.9.9]
67 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3]
68 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3]
69 Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp [Version 3.7b3]
6A Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b1]
6B Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
6C Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
6D Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3f]
6E Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3]
6F Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3]
70 TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.39c]
71 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
72 TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp [Version 1.39c]
73 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
74 ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
75 ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
76 ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
77 MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
78 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
79 Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
7A Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
7B Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp [Version 3.1]
7C Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp
7D Better Benirus Manor.esp [Version 4.71]
7E Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch - Natural.esp
7F Better Rosethorn Hall.esp
80 Better Rosethorn Hall - Cobl Patch.esp
81 BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.1]
82 Kragenir's Death Quest.esp [Version 2.1]
83 KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
84 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
85 Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
86 Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
87 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.4]
88 Ushnar's Re-Skinned Hound.esp
89 VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
8A DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
8B DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
8C SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp [Version 1.30]
8D DLCfrostcrag.esp
8E SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp [Version 1.2]
8F FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
90 Knights.esp
91 Knights - Book Jackets.esp
92 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
93 SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp [Version 1.06]
94 TOTF.esp
95 RTT.esp
96 FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
97 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.6.1]
98 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.4]
99 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
9A xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
9B xulTheHeath.esp
9C XulEntiusGorge.esp
9D xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
9E xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
9F xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
A0 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
A1 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]
A2 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
A3 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
A4 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
A5 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
A6 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
A7 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
A8 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
A9 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
AA xulPantherRiver.esp
AB xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
AC xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1]
AD xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]
AE xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
AF xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
B0 TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B1 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B2 DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B3 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
B4 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.1]
B5 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.2]
B6 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp
B7 OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp
B8 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]
B9 OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp [Version 1.0]
BA xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.1]
BB KragenirsDeathQuest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 1.1]
BC Better Abandoned House.esp
BD Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
BE Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
BF Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
C0 Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
C1 Cliff_BetterLetters.esp [Version 1.2]
C2 HUD Status Bars.esp [Version 4.2.1]
C3 Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp [Version 3.0]
C4 P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
C5 StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
C6 Quest Award Leveling.esp
C7 quickstart.esp
C8 Basic Primary Needs.esp
C9 StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
CA StarX VVR_OOO Patch.esp
CB SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90b]
CC SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.90]
CD SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.90]
CE SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.90]
CF SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.90]
D0 SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.90]
D1 SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.90]
D2 SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.90]
D3 RshAlchemy.esp
D4 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
D5 nGCD.esp
D6 Sneaking Detection Recalibrated.esp
D7 SP1stPLegs.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.78]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.78]
D8 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
D9 Cobl Races - Balanced.esp [Version 1.52]
DA Better Cities Full.esp [Version 4.9.5]
DB Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]
DC Better Imperial City.esp [Version 4.9.5]
DD Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.9.5]
DE Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 4.9.5]
DF Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 4.8.4]
E0 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 4.8.1]
E1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 4.9.1]
E2 Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 4.9.1]
E3 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
E4 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]
E5 [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
E6 NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.3]
E7 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

I did run it through Boss v1.7 (1.8 seems to have issues with Wrye Bash) to make sure everything was sorted. One thing Boss noted was that a number of plugins contained dirty edits, including some official plugins and recommended I use TES4Edit to clean them. Having never used TES4Edit, would you guys recommend I do this, and are there any plugins I shouldn't clean?

Another question I had was regarding merging plugins . The following is a list of plugins that Wrye Bash said were merge-able:

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*FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp
* FCOM_Francescos.esp
* FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
* All Natural - MMM Patch.esp
* Symphony of Violence.esp
* VA_BetterGold.esp
* Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp
* SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp
* DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
* FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp
* FCOM_Cobl.esp
* The Arsenal - Leveled Lists for OOO.esp
* FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp
* FCOM_SpawnRatesReduced.esp
* FCOM_SaferRoads.esp
* FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp
* Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
* Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp
* Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp
* Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp
* Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp
* TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp
* TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp
* ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp
* ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp
* ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp
* MMM-Cobl.esp
* Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp
* Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
* SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp
* FCOM_Knights.esp
* Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp
* Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp
* SM_DLCSpellTome.esp
* SM_OOO.esp
* SM_MMM.esp
* SM_COBL.esp
* SM_Scrolls.esp
* SM_SigilStone.esp
* Cobl Races - Balanced.esp

Are there any mods from that list that you guys would recommend I NOT merge?

Thanks in advance for any assistance that you guys can offer!

» Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:05 pm

Couple things that I can see:

- only one OMOBS is needed. In your case, use the SI one.

-AFAIK, "Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp" should be used instead of "Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp" with FCOM.

Otherwise it looks good to me.

Cleaning will help and is easy to learn. TES4Edit is very handy to have. http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide for many answers and lists of known clean/dirty mods. Don't clean anything that is part of FCOM, unless you really know what you're doing I guess.

Re mergeable mods: probably a good idea to go with what BOSS recommends. Update the masterlist and try to keep track of the WryeBash and BOSS threads.

I notice you've got Bag of Holding... nice thing to have but I find that http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22414 completely eclipses it... though they are too easy to acquire. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8711 goes well with AN as does http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5861 and http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11720.

I've built my latest install with http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1184421-relz-integration-the-stranded-light/ in mind. It requires Race Balancing Project rather than COBL Races, though.

Edit: You could also use http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19203.

» Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:56 pm

What _earthling_ said, except you need both OMOBS esp's if using the 1.0 versions. If using 2.0 (which is recommended) you only need the OMOBS SI plugin.

Also:

0F Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53] - Import NPC Faces into the Bashed Patch and keep unchecked.
10 Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53] - As above.

58 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3] - Update to 109.

5A OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0] - Update to 2.0 as said - you only need the OMOBS SI plugin if so.
5B OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]

5E FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9] - Follow the Quick Cobl for UFCOM Guide in the FCOM thread.

75 ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01] - These can be merged. Saves two slots.
76 ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]

» Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:39 pm

Hey folks, thanks for the info! I didn't realize that OMOBS had been updated, it had been a while since I checked the latest version. Also, I totally forgot about the Oblivion Stereo Sound Overhaul! I was gonna download it but forgot! RE: Integration - I think I'll stay clear of this one for now, I prefer using COBL races over Race Balance Project.

I'll also take a look at TES4Edit and get those plugins cleaned. Also, re: Diverse Runeskulls for OOO - is this a separate download? I don't recall it being with the MMM download, or of it is the omod installer didn't include it. That being said, I decided to use Gems and Gem Dust instead of Diverse Runeskulls (the last time I checked there's a compatibility issue between the two? or am I wrong about that?).

» Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:57 pm

'll also take a look at TES4Edit and get those plugins cleaned. Also, re: Diverse Runeskulls for OOO - is this a separate download? I don't recall it being with the MMM download, or of it is the omod installer didn't include it. That being said, I decided to use Gems and Gem Dust instead of Diverse Runeskulls (the last time I checked there's a compatibility issue between the two? or am I wrong about that?).

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp comes with MMM_37b3_Public_Release. There's no compatibility issue between Diverse Runeskulls and G&GD, but you shouldn't use the latter with OOO/FCOM as it has compatibility issues with the similar feature in OOO.