Whenever I feel as if I'm being herded a little too much, I go off script and just forget about quests altogether. You can actually just go exploring with no goal in mind other than to see what's over the next hill. I've found some of the damndest places that way. You run into a lot of dragons that way too.

True, but is it always uncalled for?

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Or just uncheck all quests and go hunting on your own. :shrug:

This problem is a result of the removal of the journal. Why did they have to remove it? Stupid decision and only serves to make the game even more shallow.

I like you.

Why not make the compass opaque and use the clairvoyance spell?

That way you're using an in game mechanic to find it.



You're only activating it for the purposes of the map markers.

You can complete quests without the actual quest being selected active. Just read the description as to what you need to do next.

In Morrowind rather than having your hand held you were given directions through your journal and dialouge, these directions were sometimes pretty vague, and sometimes pretty accurate, but it was a nice way to mix things up and get some exploring done. In Skyrim you're very rarely presented with any directions at all, rather you have this ingame tool that points you to every goal and lets you fast travel there to boot. The only way of roleplaying around this is to use the clairvoyance spell, it's the only viable alternative to some quests, especially radiant story quests which give you no directions and occasionally no objective cell name at all!

Good job on missing all the clues they give you.

Many of them even mark the location on your map if you haven't heard of it yet nor have been there.

They tell you enough information, you're just missing it and not putting 2 and 2 together.

Just as a lot of others are failing to do in this thread.

You have my sympathies.

Nobody gives a [censored] if you're done with it. NOBODY!

I don't always use the quest markers, and sometimes I "accidentally" stumble upon the location for some of the dozens of quests I have, or even ones I haven't picked up yet. It's a nice feeling to accomplish something by accident, and takes the tedious "mailman" feeling out of the game's quests.

Not being able to find quest items is the whole reason I buy strategy guides. Even though there's the compass and fast travel I still bought the guide. There's also hundreds of online sites that offer me information as well and yet I still buy the guide. Why? Cause I hate spending hours looking for something that wont really further the story. So yeah...I love the in game help. It keeps me from having to grab the guide every thirty minutes or so.

Such first world problems.

Next complain will be you don't have to eat food to stay alive in the game, or take a dump to avoid exploding bowels.

There is realism and there is fun. Everyone have a different scale of it. Personally I think the quest system is fine. The focus of the quest is the dungeon, it is not so you can wander around the map for 5 hours looking for some obsecure location - possibly unsucessfully then look it up online. That is not fun, that is just chore - at least to me.

Even the treasure map series of quests you can do it by hand (e.g. find it on your own) or turn them into an NPC to get a marker.

I really hate this trend to just come to the forum and rage rage rage instead of just figuring out very simple things or fixes. I had only played the game 15 minutes and I figured out how to turn the quest hud off, is it just the new breed of RPG gamers? A.D.D.? Spoon fed?

complainings are becoming more unreasonable and stupid by the minute :banghead:

If i could turn off quest markers, and have a journal entries and npc's give me varying levels of information until i am able to come close to pinpointing a location of a "rare" or "undiscovered" place or item, then i freakin would! I don't want quests to randomly be finished cause i randomly stumbled across them at some time much later than i actually got the quest, there should be a slow progression towards the goal from the moment i get the quest. Maybe i need to visit other towns, talk to new people, put forth effort to get information on said quest. But if i turn off quest markers there is no in between content to keep me moving towards finishing the quest.

There's undeniable quality that can be had in hand crafted quests where a designer can spin a tale and engage the player. The problem with doing that all of the time is that it is very labour intensive.

With the number of quests Skyrim has, having only hand crafted quests would mean having a small fraction of the number of quests that using dynamically generated quests allows. There's a trade-off.

The significant quests in Skyrim are excellently crafted and they stand up to anything else I've seen in TES. I understand the OP's concerns, but you can't point at the weakest of the weak within Skyrim and say it's an indication of overall quality. It's simply MORE than you've had before. Ignore the random quests and stick to the fleshed out ones if you want. Since you don't want to track your quests in the quest tracker anyways, you'll never know the difference.

Maybe an option to disable the auto-quests would be good.

you know you can turn off quest markers by deselecting the quest

Put... how... did... your post get above emo's post? ... We have a future seer!

This is total BS, Morrowind had hand crafted quests, over 400 of them if i remember right, most with journal entries, and most with more dialogue than Skyrim could ever dream of having. Yes many of the quests were not as involved, but even so, i was more involved in them, because i had to actually figure them out on my own.

And people i am not saying Skyrim is a bad game, i think it is a good game, but my thread is one example of many to why i no longer feel the desire to play it.

If you want "realism" just pretend your map and compass have been imbued with clairvoyance. Problem solved...

You are wrong on more than one level.

Except he's exactly right.

A quest marker on your map and compass is no different than Morrowind giving you big yellow boxes on your map telling you where to go.

There are plenty of quests that do that exact thing, and plenty of quests that compass markers give you no indication of how you actually need to complete the quest.

Your argument is wrong, plain and simple. There is plenty of complexity in quests in this game. They removed the tedium of not knowing where to find a quest location, and actually implemented puzzles and other obstacles that you must overcome.

Yes, this guy can simply NOT use the helpful HUD and map markers. I personally like the dialogue and hints you get. I actually bothered to read the Story of the Red Eagle to get info on the sword and the secrets there and didn't just use the map, even though the map told me where to go if I wanted. You can also NOT activate the quest and there won't be a marker on the map.

This guy is just a whiner imho =)

Yes, it's TOTALLY "immersion breaking" to point something out on your map. Ya know, when you pull up to a guy asking where is the post office, and you have a map of the town, he will point to where it is.