Finished game with FCOM. Starting again. Mod advice : IV

» Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:14 pm

Well, didn't really, really finish, but got to level 25 and am godly as a heavy armor, blade wielding Nord with strong illusion, restoration and alteration skills.

This is my current mod set: Basically a variant of the FCOM++ set

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  Cybiades.esm  [Version 2.0]03  Windfall.esm04  Jog_X_Mod.esm05  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]06  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]07  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]09  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]0A  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0C  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0D  Artifacts.esm0E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0F  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]10  NNWAEMaster.esm11  CM Partners.esm12  HorseCombatMaster.esm13  ScreenEffects.esm14  TRoN.esp15  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]16  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp17  DLCShiveringIsles.esp18  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]19  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]++  Shivering OOO.esp1A  Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp1B  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk UOS.esp1C  DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp20  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]22  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]23  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]24  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp25  MIS Low Wind.esp26  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp27  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp28  Storms & Sound.esp29  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]2A  WindowLightingSystem.esp2B  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]2C  Damage Text v2.esp2D  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]2E  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp  [Version 1.8]2F  FormID Finder4.esp30  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.3]31  P1DmenuEscape.esp32  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.3.2]33  Scathe.esp  [Version 0.1]34  ScreenControls.esp35  Streamline 3.1.esp36  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]37  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]38  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1.1]39  DLCHorseArmor.esp3A  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]3B  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]3C  DLCOrrery.esp3D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  DLCOrrery Vwalk.esp3F  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]40  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp41  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp42  Armamentium female.esp43  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp44  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]45  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]46  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]47  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp48  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]4B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]4C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp  [Version 0.5]4D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul Vwalk.esp4E  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]4F  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]++  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]50  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]51  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]52  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]53  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]54  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]55  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]57  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]58  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5B  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]5D  Fransfemale.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]5E  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp5F  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]60  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]61  BladeSong.esp62  GoldenCrest.esp63  GoldenCrest Vwalk.esp64  GTAesgaard.esp**  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp65  GlenvarCastle.esp66  GlenvarCastle Vwalk.esp67  LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp68  LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp69  Malevolent.esp6A  Malevolent Vwalk.esp6B  MountainTower.esp  [Version 6.0]6C  NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp  [Version 2.2]6D  NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp6E  NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp6F  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]70  The Ayleid Steps Vwalk.esp71  TheForgottenShields.esp72  thievery.esp73  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]74  Windfall.esp75  DLCfrostcrag.esp76  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp77  DLCFrostcrag Vwalk.esp78  Knights.esp79  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]7A  Knights Vwalk UOP.esp7B  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]7C  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]7D  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]7E  Cybiades Vwalk.esp7F  Mighty Umbra.esp80  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp81  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp82  HoarfrostCastle.esp83  HoarfrostCastle Vwalk.esp84  MannimarcoRevisited.esp85  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]86  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]87  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]88  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]89  HeartOftheDead Vwalk.esp8A  bartholm.esp8B  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 4.2]8C  bartholm Vwalk.esp8D  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]8E  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]8F  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp90  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]91  Scouter.esp++  Short Grass V3.esp92  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.2.0]93  Quest Award Leveller.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp94  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp95  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp96  StarX VVR_OOO_FCOM Patch.esp97  Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp98  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]99  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]9A  No psychic guards v1.2.esp9B  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp9C  DRSplatter.esp++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]9D  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp9E  nGCD.esp9F  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.espA0  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]A1  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]A2  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]A3  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]A4  ProgressRacial.espA5  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]A6  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]A7  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]++  1em_Vilja MMM Fix.espA8  1em_Vilja OOO FCOM Fix.esp++  1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Xtudo.espA9  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]AA  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]AB  bgMagicEV Vwalk.esp++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AC  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AD  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AE  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]AF  bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp  [Version 1.68UV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]B0  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]B1  bgBalancingVanillaGMSTArmorPenalty.esp  [Version 9.0UV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]++  k_HOD_RBP_patch.espB2  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 0.99]B3  bgIntegrationEV Vwalk.espB4  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]B5  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp++  Life Detected - OMOD.esp++  Visually Enchanted Fire 1.esp++  Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp++  Visually Enchanted Shock 1.espB6  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.espB7  UnderdarkSaga.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]B8  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: BladeSong - High Imperial Tess by Xtudo.espB9  BladeSong - High Imperial Tess by Xtudo.esp

I am thinking of making a more thief-like character character and want to try a different mod set. I was wondering about trying out a play through with TIE and Oblivion XP as my core mods... that should make for a very different experience, right?

What is playing TIE like as opposed to OOO/MMM (FCOM)?

I was thinking of blade, light armor, marksmanship and stealth being my most important skills, with a little utility magic in there.

Can Marksmanship make up for a lack of offensive magic (Illusion for command, conjuration or destruction), or is Marksmanship really a one shot per fight kind of thing?

What thievery mods are worth putting into the mix?

Thanks!

» Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:33 pm

You could try WAC, TIE++, the new large WarCry overhaul that's kicking around this forum right now, or...

Nehrim.

I recommend that total overhaul, because it's awesome, pretty, and a rather different experience. Not the same old storylines and stuff all over again. Really well done, overall.

edit: But if you don't try that, at least add a lot of quests you've never tried before. And, maybe, something like Oblivion XP, for a *very* different levelling "feel". Perhaps an alternative texture overhaul, whether you're using one now or not. Open Cities or Better Cities, whichever you haven't used yet (if either is the case). And so on... Oh, and for archery, you could check out Duke Patrick's Combat Archery - it's good, and brutal.

edit2: Oops, missed the fact you will be using Oblivion XP. Heh. :blush:

» Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:28 am

What is WAC and what is included in TIE++?

» Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:37 am

Waalx Animals and Creatures (though there's a bit more to it than that...), and well, much like FCOM++, but TIE. So, whatever you want!

Sorry, I shouldn't assume everyone knows every acronym. Hm. Pretty sure I don't, actually.

» Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:59 am

I recommend ROM (Revised Oblivion Mod). It needs OOO as it is based on that. Has its own leveling, a very interesting way, where only your major skills can get to a 100, specialization skills to 50, everything else to 25. Only skill books can train you further.

Redoes magic and guilds. Redoes combat. Adds fatigue. Drowning. paper getting wet. Look it up, read the manual, may be what you are looking for. I found it very rewarding two times I played it.

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=33114

» Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:04 am

D'oh! How could I forget about ROM?! :facepalm:

Yeah, it's an excellent variant of OOO, and then some. :thumbsup:

Superb vision, great implementation, really tight scripting, almost perfect documentation... I suspect there are a few modders who could learn a thing or two from this guy. :goodjob:

edit: Though it would probably be the least different from OOO/FCOM, naturally. :shrug:

» Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:42 am

Although most of my games are very stable, a ROM game seems to be the most stable of all and provide better performance to boot. There must be something to this script thing as Underground was quite proud of this.