Are SI Flesh Atronachs really Daedra, though? I always took the impression that they were contructs of sewn together flesh and body parts that were then re-animated by necromancers. Sure, they might house a Daedric soul, but so does many enchanted weapons and clothing; are we going to start calling those objects Daedra simply because they contain a Daedric soul?

Well, he said zombie, not skeleton. For the bone stalkers...they don't seem to exist. If you mean the Shambles of SI, uh...same rules as undead maybe? Bone lords...you got me there. Special lich things?

What do you mean bonestalkers don't exist?

Can't find it anywhere....There are bonewalkers, but they're pretty much a whole zombie, not parts of people, and they're Temple risen grave guardian zombies

Think proweler meant bonewalkers.

Ah my fault. It's Bonewalker.

They're both from Morrowind.

Both got to many bones for one person.

The bonewalkers seem to be of one person, just with metal spikes driven into and given special rituals from the Temple. For the bonelords...my only thought is either they are skeletons that there put together and made ethereal, or they're ghosts, in the form of skeletons. The bonelords cannot be harmed with mundane weapons, so...they are spiritual in nature and disappear when killed. Both using souls of mortals, rather than daedra.

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/legions_of_dead.shtml is my source in this.

I guess my error is saying zombies are not made of multiple people, when I really meant not typically. But..that's not really a prerequisite. I'd say the daedric soul and mortal one differentiates the two.

Technically the only difference between a Daedric weapon and an Ebony weapon (besides esthetics) is the Daedric spirit housed within the weapon. So, yes. It can be a legitimate means of classification.

And since Daedric weapons weigh more than Ebony ones, that means souls have physical weight. If Daedric souls can cause these large deformities to weapons and armor, why not have other souls cause other deformities? Wouldn't any weapon or armor you put a daedric soul into be a kind of Daedric armor? An upgraded version of itself?

Not quite. An ebony weapon with a daedric soul in it is just an enchanted weapon. Daedric weapons go through more than just enchanting:

"Daedric weapons are made from raw ebony which has been refined using the craft and magical substances of the lesser minions of Oblivion. The process is not a pleasant one for the Daedra involved, and the weapons retain echoes of preternaturally prolonged suffering endured during manufacture. Daedric weapons are the most rare and expensive weapons known in Tamriel."

Hence why Daedric weapons look different, not deformities caused by enchanting...

So a quick difference between the two is this:
Enchanted weapons just use the soul to enchant
Daedric weapons uses a daedric being or daedra as the raw material, along with raw ebony.

Now I wonder...what would happen if a daedric being used a mortal as raw materials? Would they end up a bloody mess and nothing special, or something really...disturbing?

It also may be that the ebony used for Daedric weapons is not taken from Tamriel but from the Deadlands.

I actually doubt that ebony is found anywhere besides Tamriel - iirc legend has it its the blood from Lorkhan's heart as it was thrown from Adamantine tower, thereby leaving a trail across Tamriel and why the highest concentration of the substance is found in Morrowind, where the heart landed...

Well, the ebony found in Morrowind would be, but given the geological similarities between the Deadlands and Red Mountain (well, vaguely at least), it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that a similar substance can be formed and mined in the Deadlands. And since few mortals have seen Mehrunes Dagon's realm of Oblivion, knowledge of similar substances existing elsewhere would be virtually if not completely unknown to Tamriel's residents. Besides, the Dremora had to be getting the stuff from somewhere.

That is a good point, a throng of dremora all using daedric armor and weapons that could only be produced from a material not found in oblivion would not make a lot of sense.


And on the fire and frost daedra topic...

Allllll hail Xivilai Moath!

It is unreasonable to believe that an orc smith from Suran would have knowledge of anything like that. Maybe he is right (however insanely unlikely it is that he would find something out like that and still work in his position), does this mean then that the daedra lords operate mines in Morrowind so they can make this armor and then turn around and distribute it to the mages guild across the empire?

People make plenty of deals with the Daedra. If they say that they'll grant them what they want if they give them X amount of raw ebony, they'll do it.

Well it's almost a Verbatim copy from the http://www.elderscrolls.com/games/morrowind_weapons_02.htm. Not point in debating so basic.

Ebony is also called Gods Blood and like Lorkhan the Daedra are Padomay aligned. Acquiring some Gods Blood shouldn't be problem.

So what? Mehrunes Dagon provides his own blood for weapons?

So the Numidium was made of Iron? Right.

Just because you're good at searching, I'd like to see where it is called that generally instead of specific to Lerkhann. If it is that way and the blood of a god is so strong to mortals, shouldn't their piss be even stronger? The orcs as mobile fecal matter should be darn near invincible, I can't even imagine how strong a god's emesis would be.

Didn't have a Mesopotamian beard either.



Hah! If only...



That's the suggestion. There are no hard sources but there is plenty to extrapolate from.

Don't know, but their seman makes the earth crack.

No, wait, I thought God's Blood referred to Lorkhan's blood from when his heart impacted the site at Red Mountain.

I don't know about Godblood, but I have always viewed atronachs as...mercenaries. Intelligent daedra selling their services to the highest bidder, be he daedra lord or wizard.

I'm coming in late to the party it seems, but this has always bothered me. I liked atronachs in Daggerfall. They were wizard-made golems, but they weren't constructs. Construct to me implies machinery, such as the dwemer centurions. Atronachs were just masses of element, shaped into a roughly humanoid shape. That was interesting. Remember that DF didn't do summoning like they do in MW--atronachs weren't summoned, they were created.

I remember making a thread about this very subject a while back. IIRC, the consensus was "deal." Apparently few care how it was in DF, even if it was more interesting.


I don't recall anything about souls. Do you have a reference? I don't recall much about construction at all, really, and didn't see it in any books.


Where are those golems, then? All we have are daedra.