This is actually slightly good news to me since the androids look like robots and not people.

Hopefully this means we won't have androids that bleed, [censored], and shave.....

Where did you get the bolded definition? Because I have never heard anything like that before. Everything I've seen has always made it clear that all androids are robots, but not all robots are androids, because androids need to have a human like form.

That depends really.

Androids are any robots specifically designed to look and act like humans. One does not need an organic body to be an android, only one that looks really close to a human body. Megaman X and Zero from the Megaman series are androids, they look human under their armor, but their bodies are robotic.

no, it doesn't. the terms are pretty clearly defined. you can always check wikipedia etc

agreed, you don't necessarily need to be argonian to be an android. but definitely organic for most parts ,-)

then they're not androids, but robots. human looking robots maybe, but robots.

edit: darn, just checked wikipedia myself, also lists androids as "manlike robots". i still say that's not correct.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28robot%29

An android is a robot^[1] or synthetic organism^[2][3][4] designed to look and act like a human, especially one with a body having a flesh-like resemblance.

Like it says

>resemblace

Nowhere does it say it needs organics. Only that it needs to look and act like a human, and that having a body resembling flesh helps.

Could be a crappy knock-off.

On topic: I would not mind dealing with the age-old android (excuse me, ahem, "artificial person") rights issue as we saw in that one Fallout 3 quest, but on a larger scale, in FO4.

yeah, see edit to my last post.

and i STILL say this is not correct

That is how its been used in literally every series I have ever known to use the term

-Robots are dumb machines, who operate on basic programming, and lack true individual thought, emotions, and free will.

-Androids are robots who have achieved an intellect equal to, or greater then, humans, and have emotions, individual thought, and free will. They also almost always have a human like appearance, but not necessarily actual organic flesh.

-Cyborgs are formally organic creatures, such as humans, who had have some or all of their body replaced by robotics.

The second point is the one I'd disagree with. Abraham Lincoln at Disney's Hall of Presidents is an android (robot with human form), despite lacking free will or intelligence. From everything I've seen, the only strict requirement is the human-like body.

That said, that is how it seems to be used in every sci-fi work I've seen it used in.

Like I asked earlier, where have you seen it used in that context? I've never seen it used to mean non-organic brain in/controlling an organic body.

well at least we agree on cyborgs

i don't agree with the robots - which imo are defined only by their making, not their "inert" properties, meaning, no matter how clever it's made, if it's mechanical, it's a robot.

and i don't agree with the androids either, which imo are _defined_ by being, at least in most parts, made of organic tissue (not "naturally grown on a body" tissue like with a cyborg though, but deliberately placed organic tissue grown whereever.

so, according to this definition: make a computer brain and, if you will, a mechanical skeleton.

now, add (organic) muscles for movement and (organic) organs for support. you built an android.

OR add electric motors for movement and a fusion generator for support. you built a robot.

(also, there's no discrimination in matters of intelligence etc, both robots and androids could be dumb as bread)

it's admittedly hard for me to even argue though, since i've been carrying around these definitions for ages and couldn't even tell the actual sources if my life depended on it (stanislav lem's name's spooking around somewhere in the back of my had, but not sure how and if at all he connects to all this)

Do androids dream of electric sheep?

K.

Fallout meet "do androids dream of electric sheep."

How do you poo if your an android?

Remove cookies.

That answered another question as well. Androids poo cookies!

Guess we're rolling with the [censored] androids then. Christ, here's hoping that they aren't as ridiculous as Harkness was.

I have very low hopes that it won't. We're going to have the ridiculous "Railroad" freeing the innocent androids from the "evil" institute.

The trailer showed an 18th century ship with rocket boosters. An 18th Century wooden ship. Just as ridiculous as Megaton.

Expect more ridiculousness.

They don't call her Old Ironsides for nothing!

You would prefer the androids were just mindless enemies who exist only to kill or be killed like feral ghouls? I prefer that they have a bit more to them than that.

As far as the ship goes I find the very idea too awesome to be bothered about practicality. A sailing ship flying through the air, isn't that just what dreams are maid of? Sailing through a sea of clouds, the wind blowing past me as I gaze out upon a world of possibility, free as a bird. It makes me wish I was more of a poet. The very thought puts a smile on my face. Maybe there will be whole cities, or parts of cities floating too.

Personally I'd prefer for there not to be any androids at-all, Harkness was absolutely absurdly advanced and completely incongruous with Fallout's technology and setting IMO.

I bet the ship would be used as a big ass weapon. Maybe a quest to get fuel and activate it and it goes flying off the rubble, skips across the water like a small rock, and smash into something it was aimed at. Just another ridiculous thing that happens in Fallout. Isn't the first one.

Frankly I don't think much of the ship, probably something done before the war for some nebulous reason.

After all the insane stuff the Big MT came up with- combat capable holograms, Star Trek level matter fabricators, long-range teleportation, and cybernetics capable of replacing one's brain or spine, (and keep in mind a lot of this, if not all of it, was around before the bombs fell) I'd say that androids aren't so nearly far-fetched anymore.

Edit: And let's not forget their weather control technology either.

Yeah and OWB was also a problem as far as I am concerned. But still, Harkness as a unit is ridiculous - he's literally an artificial human-being, the Commonwealth can manufacture seemless replicas of people and I just don't think that sticks with the consistency of Fallout robots like the Sentry Bots, Protectrons etc.

Seeing how The institute has been (apparently) relatively unscathed by The apocalypse, there would be few reasons why they would not have continued their research.

A saner and more Pragmatic version of Big Mt. Would likely have m錮e quite alot of leaps by now.

Also androids make for near perfect sentry and recce units. They wouldnt Stick out like a droid and they would be able to traverse vast stretches of land bringing solid intel from Even heavily radiated hellholes.