First patch Stats : Othor Games

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:18 am

Well im sure there would be stats for how many times you Healed someone, Buffed someone, Resupplied someone, Revived someone,Caputured an objective,Protected an objective etc etc etc etc

so i would think stats would encourage ppl to do objecitves and use teamplay

which is why i think most of you are the ones obsessed with the ONE k/d statistic that you want to ruin all those other stats for ppl who WANT to focus on them

have you ever played halo reach objective? probably not. kd makes it the worst playlist ever

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:16 pm

The way people seem so scared of K/D ratios makes me think most people here plan on dying more than killing.

You think some people are against KDR due to fear of theirs being low? cool :shrug:

Me personally I speak from experiencing many games with players on KZ2 (very teamwork orientated game) who put their KD ratio as a first priority over the objective which on many occassions has been costly and quite annoying when you feel like its only you thats going for an objective. I have no qualms for mission based statistics but if having KDR not present ingame would increase any likelihood of people playing more for an objective then im all for it. You can never gauge how well youre doing just by glancing at your KD anyway...

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:41 am

Back in the day I was a CtF junkie. I was also a great runner but my K/D ratio was absolutely horrible (my leaderboard ranking was great though since caps earned me points). That being said the K/D ratio has absolutely nothing to do with being an effective runner. I think Brink is similar in that kills are only a means to help complete an objective, but that objective is the only thing that matters. Yes, getting kills often helps you team but so does continually getting killed and making progress on the objective(s).

Sadly, most gamers have been brainwashed by CoD kill streaks where farming kills provides you with an advantage. Thankfully Brink is not CoD. It might take some gamers (and reviewers) a while to figure this last point out though.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:53 am

The way people seem so scared of K/D ratios makes me think most people here plan on dying more than killing.

I understand the argument "It isn't about killing! it's about objectives!" and I'm with you on that. But I also don't find it unreasonable to want to know how well I am doing compared to others. People hope Brink will be competitive, and stats are what competitive people want.

First part: I die more than I kill in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood's Multiplayer.

I also win more often than I lose. That's because I do what you're supposed to do in the game, rather than focusing on KDR. There are a lot of players who are TERRIBLE at the game, and make themselves lose by caring about that ONE stat being in the game, and they obsess over it to the exclusion of all else.

Sure, they GET a high KDR, but they get win rates below 10%, and they SCREW their teammates by going for kills they shouldn't (If you steal my Poison kill in Manhunt, you'll find it very hard to hide in the next round when I'm nearby making you an easy target).

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:49 am

Why not track different stats for fun? Number of parkour moves, times class switched, # of shots fired. Stats for fun!

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:09 am

well if its all well in good I am gonna exp [censored]. even if that means let the enemy get more objectives, so I can get them back and earn more exp. They sure as hell better track exp.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:32 pm

The way people seem so scared of K/D ratios makes me think most people here plan on dying more than killing.

In Brink, this actually isn't a bad concept. Sacrificing yourself for the good of team, was a n all to common occurrence in previous SD games. It isn't the actual KDR stat that is bad, it's how the gaming community has changed and the emphasis put on it that is the problem. Regardless if competitive players want stats, if they have potential to be counter productive and/or abused in the game, then they need to be cut out. It's somewhat of a paradox - The players who obsess over and want the KDR stat, are the very reason why it is not in the game.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:55 am

I think the biggest issue that arises with KDR has become almost the ego stat and what should be consisdered a good stat not longer is. Compare it to a similar stat like a batting average in baseball or scoring percenatge in hockey or soccer. With the FPS KDR mindset anything less that 1.0 is unacceptable because your not making something happen everytime your up. Theoreticly if your in a hyper competative match with an equally skilled player the final KDR should be like .550 and .450 or the like. People don't like to hear that if truskill or whatever matchmaking equation is work properly you should lose half the time. KDR has become a stat of not just I'm better than you but 2x 3x 4x better than you and everyone else. To be fair, I beleive that it is an useful stat for DM or TDM, but considering that Brink does not have those mode, it probably does not need to be tracked.

p.s.

Sorry if I sound scattered, it's late here and just felt like chiming in...

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:59 am

NO!

NO stats in the game!Keeps away K/D idiots and CoD kids.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:41 pm

NO!

NO stats in the game!Keeps away K/D idiots and CoD kids.

:flamethrower:

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 1:41 am

It's confirmed that the stats page doesn't contain K/D ratio, just like the leaderboards at the end of a match.

» Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:57 am

Some people care about their overall performance in a game. That doesn't seem too outrageous to me.

I say add the stats site for people who want it. People who don't want it don't have to look. Shocking, I know...

The way people seem so scared of K/D ratios makes me think most people here plan on dying more than killing.

I understand the argument "It isn't about killing! it's about objectives!" and I'm with you on that. But I also don't find it unreasonable to want to know how well I am doing compared to others. People hope Brink will be competitive, and stats are what competitive people want.

EDIT: I would like to add that this is another case of me seeing relentless COD bashing. I get it. We all get it. COD isn't great and shouldn't have the fanbase it does. But that doesn't mean anything Brink has in common with COD should automatically shut down with reckless abandon. You're all trying to make Brink out to be an anti-COD instead of just letting Brink be Brink.I like Brink and I think most people playing it will be like-minded with me in terms of the style of gameplay we hope for, but the more I read the forums the more the Brink community scares me because it seems like a bunch of snobby FPS hipsters, as strange as that seems to sound.

AGREED 100%, Thank you for saying it better then I could! Stats help me boost up my weakness, and or know that I am doing something right... be a better player, so your team is a better team! I mean everyone seems to be going on about the objectives, but the last time I checked the objective of a game is to win. Stats help you do that. And before somebody says it, yes, I DO enjoy playing whether I win or lose. I just enjoy winning more! BRING ON THE STATS!

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:08 pm

Oh, and I get that being a team player and strategic sacrifice etc, is more important in BRINK, and in fact that is exactly why it IS NEEDED. If I spent too much time killing the other team and had a great K/D but team lost cause I didn't help with the objective, the stats will show that too. Whether or not K/D is important or not will be proved as the emergent aspects of how players play the game become more clear. Winning in Brink is contingent upon the completion of objectives and not a kill count... that right there already puts BRINK outside the HALO / COD mentality. And those that are addicted to it won't spend much time playing BRINK if at all. For those of us taking the time to even throw our two cents into this chat, K/D stats can be an important tool to help teams or clans or even individuals adjust their play to help get the job done. AND, ITS A SHOOTER PEOPLE, having soldiers with good K/Ds on your squad can help your team win if they play to the objectives and not just for their own K/D. I would rather have all the info, rather than a fraction of it.

» Thu Feb 03, 2011 9:12 pm

Id like to see my K/d ratio out of game on the fabled website. Just to see what it is if nothing else. I'm okay with it not being in game too.