First person realism - see your body, foggy breath, etc : V - Skyrim

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:39 pm

The purpose of this topic is to discuss the level of realism you would like to see in the first person perspective. I think most people would like to be able to see their body, but what about even more realistic things like breath and helmet shadow?

Now I know some of my topics have been been on the controversial side lately, but this should be a nice tame one which most of us can agree on and discuss in a civilized manner. (Many of you will be pleased to know that I ended up being suspended as a result of my last couple topics)

Yes yes and yes

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:16 am

Yes to all three. If you're creating what hopes to be a living, breathing world - why would your window into that be an oblivion-style flying camera with arms? People don't not have legs, people can't see through their helmets (Though for that one, getting the overlay right is hard), and people aren't unaffected by the local environment. Breath should freeze under very cold conditions, with water breathing there should be bubbles while underwater, so on. They're small touches, but they go a long way towards creating a character, not a viewpoint.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:02 pm

There should be another option in the questions.

"I don′t really mind"

This is not important for me.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:01 am

Seeing your own body? of course, it's there, you should be able to see it. The other two things though... in theory they add realism, but at the cost of an intrusion in your sight, think about it, when you whear glasses (medical prescription ones, work or laboratory protenction ones, or sunglasses) and something soil it. You can see perfectly but it's really anoying and you can even end up nauseated. The breath thing in 3dp person though, would be OK.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:16 am

I like the breath idea, but the helmet outline is kinda stupid. And if they were to do the breath thing, it should only be in the colder places and after standing still for a couple of seconds.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:11 am

Yes to the first, no to the others.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:31 am

yes, yes, and no. Viewing yourself, your arms, your breath, even your shadow in first person really does add a lot to the realism, however, if the helm blocked your vision, odds are I'd find it so annoying that I'd simply never wear helmets at all.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:38 am

I voted no on legs, (because seeing your legs almost always changes the laws of physics in the game to accomodate) and yes on breath and helmet.

I would like to say though, that you wouldn't see your breath if you were running fast, but would in most other activities. The helmet outline is a good idea, but should probably be kept to a hard core mode to add a bit of claustrophobia and impaired field of view. Would be a nice touch.

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:37 pm

No to the legs as Im just not used to it (only mirrors edge) the foggy breath would be decent though.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:11 am

Wait, why is everybody saying no to an outline of a helmet in the edge of the screen, while saying yes to visible breath, that will always obscure your vision somewhat in winter areas?

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:44 am

Take a moment with me here OP, and cooperate please. In real life, look down at the ground. (standing might be a good idea first)

(using your head). What all can you see within your vision field?

I can see almost everything, including my shoulders.

I don't want to look down and only be able to see my legs. It's like having your head glued to your crotch, its absolutely silly.

If I can see anything, I want to be able to see everything. That would be cool.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:19 am

1) As I've mentioned in other threads, I really don't see what's so special about this "full body awareness" craze. So.... :shrug:

2) No. Seems annoying.

3) Oh, heck NO! :banghead:

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:01 am

yes

yes

AND HELL YES

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:54 am

no, yes, no

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:00 am

I found some leaked dev screenshots of the third option ingame, so I can confirm it's in and unmoddable.

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/114/1149185/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110211094543003_640w.jpg
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http://www.guilford.edu/classes/engl/hhayton/courses/recreating_past/2006/modules/imichie/european-knights-helm-8108.jpg
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http://lulzimg.com/i17/aaeded.jpg

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:44 am

That's a really easy photoshop. But thanks for the example of why it's a terrible feature.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:50 am

Visible legs, yes. I don't think this is really even something to worry about. It's in just about every first-person game these days, it's par for the course.

Foggy breath, only in situations of intense cold and snow. If I'm in the autumn-looking forest as seen in the screenshot with the deer, I shouldn't see my breath then. Otherwise, I'll go with yes on that too. I'd also like to add that it should be rather non-intrusive and a very small see-through type of thing.

Seeing the outline of a helmet, absolutely not. I've seen games that attempted something like that before and it was just awful and it got in the way and in general it made it a very unpleasant experience. This is one of those situations where I think realism needs to take a hit for the sake of gameplay.

This.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:21 pm

That's a really easy photoshop. But thanks for the example of why it's a terrible feature.

photoshop? please, I used mspaint =)

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:40 am

Yes to everything except the helmet, I always get exited when I can see my legs in games :biggrin:

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:53 am

I found some leaked dev screenshots of the third option ingame, so I can confirm it's in and unmoddable.

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/114/1149185/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110211094543003_640w.jpg
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http://www.guilford.edu/classes/engl/hhayton/courses/recreating_past/2006/modules/imichie/european-knights-helm-8108.jpg
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http://lulzimg.com/i17/aaeded.jpg

I lol'd

But I was thinking of something more like this : http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w216/Adamhay123/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-20110211094543003_640w.jpg
How is that not awesome? It truly feels like you're staring out from a helmet!

» Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:02 pm

Leg awareness: yes

Seeing your breath: no.

Seeing your helmet: HELL [censored] NO

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 8:51 am

Big yes to see body and legs. Would really enhance the experience of 1st person.
Big yes to see breath. A nice touch which would definitely fit for Skyrim. We know breathing is for 3rd person, so why not 1st person as well.
Big no to see helmet. Doesn't add any immersion or better feeling of 1st person imo, just makes the viewable screen smaller. And I think it's ugly...

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:44 am

No

No

No

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:05 am

You should be able to see your body and legs in an FPS all the time. So, yes for body and legs. Yes for foggy breath because in some place very cold you should be able to see your foggy breath. For the helmet one I am on and off about that one. I would like it because I would have a reason to take off the helmet when walking around so I can see things better but no because sometimes it's sometime frustrating to see an enemy depending on size.

» Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:18 am

No

No

No

That's rather stingy. Care to say why?