Well... the thing about helmet view is, it never really looks anything other than cheesy in games like this. Keep in mind that unless you do have a video headset, you're ALWAYS going to be looking at your helmet as a pasted-on shape on a flat screen. If they do it so that it completely obstructs portions of your vision then that won't make much sense - most helmets have their bits in your peripheral vision, where they aren't going to obstruct it most any of the time. But then, if they do what a lot of developers do and make it transparent, it'll just look... well, stupid and cheap. Either way, it doesn't really work to improve immersion - at best, it just needlessly obstructs your view of the game.

EDIT: That said, I'd be surprised if you can't see something when you look down. This was one of the features I saw people asking for the most leading up to Oblivion, and there were quite a few requests for it with Fallout 3 as well. It's something people have been hounding Bethesda to do for a long time, and they have no real reason not to.

You make valid points, especially when concerning the video headset, however, the main pull of those are complete isolation, which all in all would be improved by helmet cam.

As for you comment about helmets looking bad, IMO in both Halo and Bioshock 2 they are VERY well done.

But still, if added allow an option to disable it ala Bioshock 2.

But how often do you really look down at your own feet?

I'm just curious why there is such a demand for it.

I honestly dont like it, I hope we cant see feet. I played that one game, of might and magic or something and they were just in the way...

Often enough, honestly. If I'm playing a game in first person, I'm going to be looking around in just about every direction. Sometimes I'll look down just to admire the scenery (not in Bethesda games - the ground textures aren't really something to be admired in those - but in general). Kind of jarring when you do that and suddenly realize that you're not just a pair of floating hands, but that your floating hands are hovering precisely where your legs should be.


Because it's not an especially difficult feature to implement and there's no particularly good reason to exclude it.

But they're not in the way in Left 4 Dead, Thief 3, Mirror's Edge, Halo, or most anything else that does it. One game doing it badly doesn't make it a bad feature.

I see your point, but I'd probably get annoyed if my view kept getting obstructed - especially if it were my limbs blocking the view! And I'd never wear a helmet if that were the case either - I wear glasses IRL and being aware of the frame is annoying enough for me

I guess my field of view is at about a 45 degree angle so I never see where my feet would be anyway.

It just doesn't add enough to be worth the time, in my opinion.

I am not against it to be clear. I could just think of other things I'd rather they spend their time on. If all is good with the schedule, and there is time, go nuts.

You're kind of missing the point.

it doesn't really take extra time to implement something like this - if their third-person models and animations are actually good, there's no trouble using them in first person. It's mostly just a matter of deciding where to set the camera and which parts of the model not to display in first person. If they leave the body out they're going to need to do at least that much, so it's not an added effort at all.