My first playthrough

Post » Sat May 01, 2010 9:01 am

After countless hours playing Oblivion I decided I would buy Morrowind and give it a try. I was wondering if you could recommend me some mods and give me some tips.
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Tamika Jett
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 1:22 pm

Mods I don't know... I beat the entire game with out mods. Tips? Save often!
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David John Hunter
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 1:41 am

2 patches you should have are:

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=7347
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19510

Between them they fix most of the bugs that never got fixed by Bethesda

Other than that its all down to personal taste. After installing them I'd suggest playing the game a little to see if there are any areas you want to improve then checking out some mod lists. A good place to find them is
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1060141-mod-recommendations-for-new-players/

Personally I'd recommend using Better Bodies, Better Heads (or another face replacer), Better Clothes, and some texture replacers as a minimum just to improve the look of the game.
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maya papps
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 8:52 am

A few of my favorites:


Graphics


http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2915 by Khalazza productions

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1025 by Khalazza productions

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=403 by Qarl

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21407 - starwarsguy9875

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4278 - Faylynn

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4253 - Plangkye

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6255 by tygirwulf

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=3089 - Shannon

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2627 - Jarrod

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4267 - Earth Wyrm

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4717 - Earth Wyrm

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6143 - Darknut

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5882 - Darknut

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5584 by Westly

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6272 - Keazen

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5883 - Telesphoros

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6173 by Westly

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6667 by Westly

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2332 - William the Taffer (can be used with Book Jackets)

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=324 by Nigedo

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1327 - random name

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6655 by Painkiller_Rider

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=1495 by Andoreth

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=3332 by JamesW

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=696 - Max a.k.a. ~NOBODY~

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=745 - Max a.k.a. ~NOBODY~

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5981 by Vality7

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5897 by Vality7

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6316 by Vality7

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7762 - Vality7





City Expansion/Landmasses


http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=mods.detail&id=7040 by The Tamriel Rebuilt Team

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3494 - Centurion

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=7854 - Nemon

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=373 - Balmora Expansion Team

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1908 - Loki the Grouch

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2903 - Princess Stomper

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3375 - Princess Stomper

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3461 - Princess Stomper

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=390 - Lonnie

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3084 - Lochnarus

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1534 - Hoghead the Horrible

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2615 by Max

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2693 by Max

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1524 - Xanondorf

http://tommyshideout.net/programs/acsNewEvermore/ - Xanondorf and Tommy Khajiit

http://www.pirates.retreat.btinternet.co.uk/Altmer.htm - PirateLord

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=449 - redwoodtreesprite





Houses


http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=583 - Phoebe

http://morrowind4kids.com/pseronwyrd/KanetRanchv1_3.zip - Hannah

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5298 - Denina

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4523 - Denina

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=4399 - Korana

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4111 - Shezrie

http://morrowind4kids.com/pseronwyrd/yourhouse_0729.zip - Kelly Starr

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=120 - Grumpy

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2064 - Bjorn Larsen

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1633 - Sniper Daria

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=1244 - Calislahn

http://len.s71.xrea.com/morrowind/current/realestate.html - Lenne

http://len.s71.xrea.com/morrowind/current/realestate.html - Lenne

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1805 - Beardo

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=166 - Morrowind Abodes Team





Weapons/Armor


http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=924 - Michael 'HelioS' Bennett

http://morrowind4kids.com/pseronwyrd/files/FarrpsMods/Weapon%20Compilation%20Mod.zip - Farrp

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1067 - Intelligentsia

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2093 - WizBang

http://tommyshideout.net/programs/acsappoldro/ - Tommy Khajiit

http://tommyshideout.net/programs/ExoticsBoutique/ - Tommy Khajiit

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3046 - Carnithus

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=259 - Phijama

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4320 by Phijama

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1270 - VagabondAngel

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1483 - VagabondAngel

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=597 - Dracus Dragani

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=3749 - Cethegus

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=416 - Xiamara

http://morrowind4kids.com/pseronwyrd/files/ZyndaarsBows.zip - Luchaire





Companions


http://lovkullen.net/Emma/Constance.htm - Emma

http://lovkullen.net/Emma/witchgirl.htm - Emma

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4445 - UlfGeir

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3771 - Baratheon79

http://lovkullen.net/Emma/wolf.htm - Grumpy and Emma





Creatures/NPCs


http://www.pirates.retreat.btinternet.co.uk/Creatures.htm - PirateLord

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=258 - Abot

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2786 - Abot

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2559 - Lochnarus

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=499 - MadMax

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3377 - Pseron Wyrd

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3414 - Pseron Wyrd

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5047 - Neoptolemus

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1272 by Adam





Quests


http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2 by Caladan Brood.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1556 by Tenaka.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1014 by JB

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1462 and http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1476 by JB.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=139 by TeuTonic and Emma.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=243 by Miles Acraeus.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=536 by Vandermast.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=868 by Matthew.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=732 by C.J. Devito & LDones.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5865 by Qarl.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=1194 by TommyKhajiit & Kathryn.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2719 by Bilbo Willowtree.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4563 by Oldie.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2389 by the Korobal Mod Team.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=305 by Patrograd.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=872 by J.O.G.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=706 by J.O.G.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=1396 by Vanhikes.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=785 by Phil Allison.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=1412 by Big Chief.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=127 by MWoody.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=3548 by Fliggerty.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=905 by Dale French.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=984 by Dale French.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=35 by Dale French.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=977 by Dale French.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1581 by A.P. Hilliard.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1643 by A.P. Hilliard.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1824 by A.P. Hilliard.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2325 by MentalElf.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5779 by Princess Stomper.

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4970 by Denunci.

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=getit&lid=1766 by Dongle.





Gameplay


http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2699 by Balor

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6640 by Alaisiagae

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6581 by Qebehsenuf

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=687 - Tejon

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6984 - Plangkye

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1499 - wesslen

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1781 - sisco

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=6748 - LadyDeadlock

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1701 - Noirgrim

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=5409 by Arcimaestro Antares

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4685 - PeterNL

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1333 - Srikandi





Fun Stuff


http://lovkullen.net/Emma/kids.htm - Emma

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4709 - Bryss Phoenix & Fliggerty

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=2666 - Graphite

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1358 - Soralis

http://www.elricm.com/nuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=4223 by redwoodtreesprite

http://morrowind4kids.com/mw4kfiles/TheTeddyBearMod.rar - Brash

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4359 - Chu

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1096 - Jdooby

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1431 - MadMax

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4513 - Mykul, Lady Serena and JamesW

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4699 - Fandorn Delavie and the Wiwiland team
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Ridhwan Hemsome
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 11:24 am

Better Bodies and Better Clothes for one. Even for its time, the character models looked like emaciated ps1 stick people with jagged skin.

http://www.psychodogstudios.net/betterbodies/ (Better clothes should be in there somewhere...)

Khajiit and Argonian bodies aren't effected by better bodies, but Liztail (his name changed, but I forget to what...) made some nice ones here:

http://www.liztail.com/view_project.php?prj_id=2§ion=info&media=65

Morrowind Code Patch project is also great, fixing all sorts of irritating bugs and whatnot. Enchant is actually worth it here (since the fail rate is ridiculously high in vanilla), but its far too easy to sell it for oodles of cash (which means nothing once you reach level 12 or so with the equipment you'd have gotten by then...).

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19510

If you like vampires, Vampire Embrace by Cortex is a must (as being a vampire in vanilla Morrowind is not just difficult as no one talks to you as a vampire, but hardly even worth the trouble of getting infected as you would HAVE to get cured to continue the main quest). On the other hand, you will be quite powerful (at least, as long as you're not fighting outdoors in broad daylight...) and have lots of followers who will happily wreck stuff for you... Just keep this mod in mind when you feel like harassing the populace of Morrowind:

http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=771&comment_page=8

Book Jackets is a nice touch for those who like reading or collecting books (especially with book rotate so you can sit the books on shelves)L

Jackets: http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=4054
Rotate: http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Mods.Detail&id=1230


Oh, I forgot: A lot of mods are on Planet Elderscrolls, which says you have to pay to register. You don't. Same with Fileplanet, which requires a separate login to download the files. It's kind of hard to find, so let us know if you can't find the free registration (the paid puts you first in line for mods, but Morrowind doesn't get long mod lines, despite having a massive selection on the site...).

Planet Elder Scrolls:
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/
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Camden Unglesbee
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 10:57 am

I too went from OB to MW.

I strongly suggest you play well into the game vanilla before modding. You may as well get a feel for the base game so you can appreciate or not any mods you do.

I found the start of MW exceedingly difficult. I had to try maybe 4 times before I got a PC to survive.
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Latisha Fry
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 12:40 am

Yes, the best tip is to at least beat the MQ or one of the factions before playing with mods.

As for switching over after playing Oblivion just remember that it's not about the fighting at all and it's a much slower pace.
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Flutterby
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 3:29 pm

Aside from the two suggested patches, and perhaps some graphics replacers, I'd have to say "avoid any mods that affect gameplay until you've tried the basic game for a while".
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Andrew Perry
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 3:19 pm

After countless hours playing Oblivion I decided I would buy Morrowind and give it a try. I was wondering if you could recommend me some mods and give me some tips.



Personally I'd play through the game once unmodded and get the flavor but that's the way I did it the first two times. (Confession: I did use a Rich Creeper.)
You get the flavor. Then select the mods that go with your taste.
I'm big on Companion Mods especially Ashlander Julan and Thief Constance.
For atmosphere, I use Children of Morrowind, Travelling Merchants, and Better Bodies.
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ijohnnny
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 1:41 am

There are no "necessary" or "must-have" mods. Two that are suggested a lot are MCP and MPP, but Morrowind Code Patch has a lot of subjective stuff (which you can choose to use or not), and the Morrowind Patch Project is just the Unofficial Patch Project (which fixed problems) plus a bunch of subjective changes. I would suggest playing the game through as much as possible without any mods, and then check various mod lists for things that interest you.
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SexyPimpAss
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 1:11 am

There are no "necessary" or "must-have" mods. Two that are suggested a lot are MCP and MPP, but Morrowind Code Patch has a lot of subjective stuff (which you can choose to use or not), and the Morrowind Patch Project is just the Unofficial Patch Project (which fixed problems) plus a bunch of subjective changes. I would suggest playing the game through as much as possible without any mods, and then check various mod lists for things that interest you.

That's a bit too generalized about the MPP haplobartow. Most all the objective fix mods available separately at the time that were not incorporated into the Unofficial Morrowind Patch v1.6.3b were added with MPP plus a few overlooked fixes.
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Steven Nicholson
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 3:22 pm

That's a bit too generalized about the MPP haplobartow. Most all the objective fix mods available separately at the time that were not incorporated into the Unofficial Morrowind Patch v1.6.3b were added with MPP plus a few overlooked fixes.


Hm; most of the changes I noticed were not fixing things, just changing them how the author thought it should be. I did not inspect every single change, just enough to be sure.
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Harry Leon
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 4:08 am

Hm; most of the changes I noticed were not fixing things, just changing them how the author thought it should be. I did not inspect every single change, just enough to be sure.

Well since the MPP is a community effort there are several 'authors' (granted quorn has put in the most effort). Since many in the community were involved with discussions about the changes, that would make those changes what the participating community members agreed they should be.

Better read up more on the changes then. For example: lots of floating objects were corrected; typos and object name inconsistencies fixed; improperly filtered dialog, etc. :sleep:
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jessica breen
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 2:22 am

I am one of the few people here that does not subscribe to the theory that there is no such thing as a must-have mod.

So, that's why I made the list in my sig.
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Liv Brown
 
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Post » Sat May 01, 2010 3:19 am

Hm; most of the changes I noticed were not fixing things, just changing them how the author thought it should be. I did not inspect every single change, just enough to be sure.

I think it would be good if you brought these issues up in the MPP thread. I think quorn would be open to suggestions if you can show which changes you think are unnecessary.

As for me, I think that quorn did an excellent and very meticulous job, and I do not find the fixes arbitrary or subjective. They all seem like good stuff to me, which is why I recommend the MPP to anyone.
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