Ah, we're already aware of this problem and the fix is to be implemented in v1.2.

We just recently tracked it down (Just the last few posts before yours, in fact). I think this counts as one of the activator bugs.

Thanks for reporting it anyways.

Well the first 4 are still tagged as quest items so I had to use the move quest items mod to get rid of them. Just a suggestion: ?

Hmm, actually, we did take notice of this but I forgot what we decided to do.

I think I'll hand this one to Miyth.

I haven't installed this mod because when I attempted, Bash gave me an error about scripts being compiled or something when recreating my bashed patch. Any suggestions?

Well I finally reached the final straw with the activator glitch screwing up many things in SI (the Sheogorath spells, the court healer, the dancer, summoning haskil, etc.) Any word on the update? It'd also be nice if the update included the item ID of certain reward(s) so those of us that got frustrated with the activator glitch don't have to do everything over.

Hi everyone.

So I just got the quiver and noticed Torrin was missing from his room. Now it's time to go down to the lower level for the keys but the game CTD's when trying to load the next level. I've tried all sorts of things but it always happens. It's a great mod and I really want it to work. please have a look at my LO and see if something is amiss. thanks for reading and any help you may have.


00 Oblivion.esm
01 SoVvM.esm
02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
04 Jog_X_Mod.esm
05 CM Partners.esm
06 A_Bloody_Mess.esm
07 EnhancedWeather.esm [Version 1.3]
08 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
09 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b1]
0A Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
0B TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39a]
0C FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
0D Armamentarium.esm
0E Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0F IWRRetrofittedMaster.esm
10 EyeCandy - Content.esm
11 GTAesgaard_2.esm
12 underdark.esm
13 HorseCombatMaster.esm
** TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
** TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
14 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
15 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
16 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
17 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
18 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.0.0]
19 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
1A Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
1B Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
1C Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
1D Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
1E FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
1F FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
20 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
21 LoadingScreens.esp
22 LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
23 LoadingScreensSI.esp
24 EnhancedWeather.esp [Version 1.3]
25 EnhancedWeather - SI.esp [Version 1.3]
26 Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp [Version 0.1]
27 Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
28 IWRRetrofittedLights.esp
29 IWRRetrofittedShutters.esp
2A IWRRetrofittedWindows.esp
2B AliveWaters.esp
2C AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
2D AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
2E ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
2F ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
30 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
31 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
32 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1]
33 C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp
34 DLCHorseArmor.esp
35 DLCOrrery.esp
36 DLCVileLair.esp
37 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
38 DLCSpellTomes.esp
39 MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
3A KDDwemerSpectacles.esp
3B EY_AoD.esp
3C Menno's Merged Plugin.esp
3D Slof's Giger Armour.esp
3E Love Suite Room.esp
3F HGEC_SBVelvetRose.esp
40 Banes DB Mask Placer True.esp
41 Menno's HGEC Merged Plugin.esp
42 XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp
43 OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon - LLOnly.esp [Version 0.5]
44 XSPipeMod.esp [Version 1.2]
45 Thieves Arsenal.esp
46 Zira My Horses Compilation.esp
47 Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
48 HRMHorseCommands.esp
49 DLCThievesDen.esp
4A KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
4B FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
4C Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
4D Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
4E DBShadowSet_NE.esp
4F ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp
50 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
51 FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
52 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
53 Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b1]
54 Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp [Version 3.7b1]
55 Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp [Version 3.7b1]
56 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b1]
57 Mart's Monster Mod - Durzog Addon.esp [Version 0.10]
58 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39a]
59 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39a]
5A FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
5B Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 0.18]
5C ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp
5D C&C - The Blackwood Company - OOO.esp
5E ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
5F Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 WZ.esp
60 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
61 BeldaElysium.esp
62 eyja.esp
63 FiveBlindMiceBeta.esp
64 GTAesgaard.esp
65 GTAesgaard_2.esp
66 HeartOftheDead.esp
67 JQ-AssassinQuest-NoMarkers.esp
68 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
69 Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
6A Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
6B Malevolent.esp
6C TRoN.esp
6D GlenvarCastle.esp
6E sunk ships.esp
6F thievery.esp
70 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
71 za_bankmod.esp
72 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
73 BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp
74 DLCFrostcrag.esp
75 Knights.esp
76 PONLights.esp
77 PONWindows.esp
78 The Lost Spires.esp
79 TOTF.esp
7A RTT.esp
7B Blood&Mud.esp
7C Origin of the Mages Guild.esp [Version 5.1]
7D FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
7E FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
7F FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp [Version 0.9.9]
80 FCOM_OMGSRT.esp [Version 0.9.9]
81 Unofficial Patches & Refurbish - ALL.esp
82 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
83 FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
84 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.3.1]
85 xuldarkforest.esp
86 xulStendarrValley.esp
87 xulTheHeath.esp
88 XulEntiusGorge.esp
89 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
8A LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp
8B xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp
8C xulChorrolHinterland.esp
8D mythsandlegends.esp
8E xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
8F xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3]
90 LostSpires-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp
91 xulLushWoodlands.esp
92 xulAncientYews.esp
93 xulAncientRedwoods.esp
94 xulCloudtopMountains.esp
95 xulArriusCreek.esp
96 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp
97 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
98 xulRollingHills_EV.esp
99 BeldaElysium-RollingHills patch.esp
9A xulPantherRiver.esp
9B xulRiverEthe.esp
9C xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.1]
9D xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6]
9E NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp [Version 4.0.2]
9F bartholm.esp
A0 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
A1 BarrowFields-Blood&Mud-Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
A2 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
A3 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
A4 Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
A5 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
A6 Bloody_Mess - Bloody_Fights.esp
A7 Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp [Version 1.6]
A8 more books teach.esp
A9 Music Controller.esp
AA ReneersGoldMod.esp
AB Roleplaying Dialogues.esp
AC Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
AD Cliff_Roleplayingcharacter.esp [Version 2.1]
AE StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
AF StarX VVR_OOO Patch.esp
B0 bgBalancingEVCore.esp [Version 10.5EV-D]
B1 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.69EV]
B2 bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
B3 bgMagicItemSigil.esp [Version 1.68EV]
B4 bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.62EV]
B5 bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
B6 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
B7 qazFingerSnap.esp
B8 attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
B9 No psychic guards v1.2.esp
BA Denock Arrows.esp
BB DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
BC Level_Rates_Modified_x5.esp
BD personality_idles4_nopc.esp
BE [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
BF bgMagicEVShader.esp [Version 1.68EV]
C0 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
C1 Capucines Character Expansion.esp
C2 bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp [Version 10.]
C3 bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp [Version 9.0EV-D]
C4 bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp [Version 10.0EV-D]
C5 bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]
C6 CM Partners.esp
C7 CM Partners NPC.esp
C8 Viconia.esp
C9 OBGate Partner bugfix.esp
CA bgIntegrationEV.esp [Version 0.8]
CB NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
CC Bashed Patch, 0.esp
CD TES4ViewLink.esp
CE Streamline 3.1.esp

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I have played this for a while and I have to say it contains a fair few bugs and flaws. Some of the surfaces seemed unfinished. I am now in the initial cave complex and I need a key to enter the inner caves. There is a note saying the key is lying around but I cannot find it. I don't know if this is a bug or if I am looking in the wrong place. On a positive note I felt the voice acting was pretty well done, especially the lip-synching to the speech.

could someone tell me if I have the five blind mice esp in the right spot in my LO posted above?

Perhaps that's the problem.....I really don't want to give up on this mod.

Hello everyone, this is FlameDragon, one of the 5BM devs. Azkon and Miyth are super busy, so I popped in to give a response to those who have bugs, issues, and concerns with our mod. Thank you again for giving Five Blind Mice a try and reporting the bugs in the game. Here is a list of responses from Azkon:

There are a few cosmetic problems with this mod but they are mostly minor and we're currently placing higher priority on the coding bugs.
It's also because everytime we try to fix these cosmetic things, the TES Editor just punches us in the face. We'll try to iron things out once we fix all the other problems.

I don't believe anyone else has been unable to find the key. It should be right next to the note.
The "Unfinished surfaces" have nothing to do with us. The Tilesets we used came with Oblivion.
It's Oblivion's fault. >_>.

Menno....that is a huge list.
I really cannot help you.
Theoretically, it SHOULD work with all other mods but that is not a 100% guarantee.
Whatever happens on loading the third level is pretty weird. I've never seen that problem before.
I also don't know what CTD and LO means, forgive me. >_<

Anything else is a known problem either to be slated for fixing in v1.2 (like the Activator glitch) or is a lower level problem (as in harder to fix) that cannot be fixed until after 1.2 (I believe the Codl problem is one of them).

As to when the release of v1.2 is is....that is unknown.

Both of our programmers are busy with RL stuff right now and really can't spare the time.

I'm really sorry, >_<.

Please keep the comments coming, we may be on the busy side right now, but we are listening and we appreciate every post!

ok just so u know CTD is Crash to desktop and LO is Load Order now Menno do u have Unique Landscapes Installed ? And you should try useing http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1005780 to help u with that LO

Yes, UL is installed... ( I believe I'm using every one of them) and I use BOSS religiously. It's just that 5 blind mice is newer than the latest boss update so I have to place it manually in the load order. That's why I was wondering if any of you might have a Load order placement suggestion for it. thanks for asking, and for the responses. Much appreciated!!

well i just thnking it mite be UL thats makeing u CTD try uninstalling it and then see if u CTD the ony outher think i can think of is Streamline. this is just a guess. and try loading 5 blined mice after Blood&Mud

heres my LO i dont have 5 blined mice installed yet becouse iam to low in level right now and i use BOSS to

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.4]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.71]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.32.Final]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b1]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]08  HorseCombatMaster.esm**  TNR - ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp09  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp0A  Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0C  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]0D  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0E  SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]11  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp15  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp16  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp17  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1B  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1C  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.4]1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.4]1E  All Natural - NW + AWS.esp  [Version 0.9.4]1F  All Natural - Skingrad.esp20  All Natural - IC Palace Changes.esp21  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp22  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]23  300_Combat Sounds.esp24  PowerAttack Voicemod.esp25  Storms & Sound.esp26  Lock Bash Omega.esp  [Version 1.3]27  DLCOrrery.esp28  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]29  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]2B  DLCSpellTomes.esp2C  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2D  EshmesBodiesV2.esp  [Version 3]2E  ExnemRuneskulls.esp2F  FCOM_ExnemRuneskulls.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]31  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]32  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]33  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp35  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp37  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]39  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.32.Final]3A  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls.esp  [Version 1.1]3C  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]3D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3E  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3F  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b1]41  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b1]42  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b1]43  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b1]44  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse RuneSkull OOO Loot.esp45  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]46  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]47  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 0.17]4C  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]4D  Demonhunter.esp4E  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 2.5.3]4F  All Natural - Real Lights - The Ayleid Steps Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]50  Knights.esp51  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]52  The Lost Spires.esp53  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]54  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]55  BlackScreenSneakFix.esp56  Bloody_Mess.esp57  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]58  ScriptIcon_Replacer.esp59  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp5A  talkwithyourhands PI4.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: personality_idles4.esp5B  RDetectLife.esp5C  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.66EV]5D  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp5E  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp5F  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.63EV]60  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.63EV]61  bgMagicEVNoSummonGlow.esp  [Version 1.62EV]62  EnchantmentRestore.esp63  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.esp64  RenGuardOverhaul.esp65  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp66  Denock Arrows.esp67  CombatFPSOptimizer.esp68  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp69  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp6A  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 3.0.1]6B  Oblivion XP - Knights.esp  [Version 1.0]6C  Oblivion XP - DLCOrrery.esp  [Version 1.0]6D  Oblivion XP - DLCMehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.0]6E  Oblivion XP - The Ayleid Steps.esp6F  personality_idles4.esp70  personality_idles4_nopc.esp71  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp72  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp73  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp++  M.O.E. - Better Icon for Script Effects.esp  [Version 1]74  Get Wet.esp75  Real Lava 1.3.esp76  Bashed Patch, 0.esp77  FormID Finder without Pluggy.esp78  Casual Oblivion 0.2 Levelled Rewards.esp

Don't know if someone reported this or not, but the ESP needs to be run through http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide because someone somewhere along the way hit the "compile all" button in the scripts and the mod now contains duplicates of all the vanilla scripts.

There are also an oddly high number of wild edits as well which can lead to problems because the original functions of the vanilla items will no longer behave properly.

Not only being cleaned with the autotamic process. There are like dozens, if not more scripts, activators... that are being modified and won't be deleted with the normal remove identical to master.

Yes, that's what is refereed to as "wild edits" - stuff that's edited that does not appear intentional but can't be cleaned out automatically.

This mod sounds exciting, but it is in serious need of cleaning.

There is something wrong with the "World Orphans" (new world spaces). Wrye Bash chokes when trying to Remove World Orphans and TES4EDIT complains about world orphans when trying to save after Undelete and Disable References.

There are thousands of Identical to Master records.

Several edits to Lights and some other records, some are "wild edits" others look intentional. I gave up on cleaning it myself as I don't know which ones are intentional.
Please delete the "wild" ones, and for the intentional ones make *new* records instead of modifying the vanilla ones.

I've played and beaten this mod through to the end, had minimal bugs. Not sure about this whole cleaning thing, but it worked fine for me. The final battles are great. The only main problem is that now all the iron gates I run into inside Ayleid ruins don't work, I have to console them open. Not sure what the source of that problem is.

The Ayleid gate problem is due to one of the wild edits that broke the script that runs those.

Many `stories` can be created with enough Mods and just adventuring. Quests are not always essential.

However, i want to try this one, but would like to wait until the little issues in the Readme are fixed.

This quest mod certainly seems interesting, but the little issues meantioned in the readme is completely misleading. The esp file is about the dirtiest esp file you can find. It includes a copy of every single script from Oblivion.esm, which means that every script bug fix in the UOP will be undone, and it will break any earlier-loading mod that works by modifying a script.

It also has worse problems, like removing the script from iron gate activators, thus stopping all of the game's vanilla iron gates from ever opening, or completely stopping the tutorial dungeon from working. So the mod needs a complete overhaul before its ready to be used with a normally modded game.

I was about to DL it...thank you for giving me the REAL story.

Weird that the author has not posted a cleaned version yet. Behind all the "dirt" it appears to be a good quest mod.

Same.

I'm curious, would any of the "dirt" remain after you removed the mod? I played through the quest, and kept the mod in my load order until I realized how utterly it screwed up everything in the Shivering Isles, got rid of it and all was fine. So couldn't people theoretically, play it and then get rid of it without any problems?