It's not like the description of 'reptiles' has to be correct to real world standards. It could be an in-universe description, where anyone on that planet presume anything with scales is a reptile. (Not counting fish, but those live in water, easy distinction)

Your post does not prove reptiles are capable of creating their own heat, it proves some larger reptiles are capable of only retaining more heat for longer periods of time. And that does not conclude that reptiles is capable of surviving in subarctic climate without either burying itself or staying underwater. Would you spend your entire Argonian playthrough underground or underwater? No, of course not. The fact is that the classification of Argonians as reptiles contradicts the fundamental nature of a reptile and is incorrect. It's a video game, it's ok for some things to not make sense. Let's move on.

Anyone still debating this thread seriously should first read http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

Thank you.

was it really jumping through hoops though? just because it wasnt a natural thought to you doesnt mean it didnt occur to other people.
and i never implied they could live long term i was simply stating that they are capable of surviving. never said thriving or inhabiting.

the real way to solve this debate though. is whether or not argonians have live births or lay eggs. with the exception of only a few reptiles and some sharks (not all are cold blooded) the strong majority of cold blooded animals lays eggs.

while most warm blooded animals give live births. birds excluded.



i will quote from my earlier post. "These animals handle it by simply moving their body. When you move, your body uses energy and creates heat. So by simply moving a gigantothermic animal can keep its body temperature a constant."

yes. gigantothermic reptiles are capable of producing heat through movement. just like everyone else. (try running. you get hot regardless of the surrounding temperature.)

to me its jumping through hoops. i dont buy someone elses explanation that maybe they were a few degrees cooler than other races because they evolved in black marsh which is humid and hot. when an entire race keeps calling everyone else warm bloods then frankly the simplest solution is just that they are cold blooded. i was hoping someone knew if argonians referred to player character argonians as warm bloods as well. if they did call the player argonian a warm blood then that would support the theory about it being a "figure of speech" but if they didnt then it supports the contention that they are indeed cold blooded.

i did read your earlier post but creating heat means constant movement. unless argonians are going to be constantly shivering or stomping their feet or doing jumping jacks it just wont work. argonians are not big that big. assuming similar size and mass as a human they are a fraction of the mass of gigantotherms like great white sharks. it certainly wont work in the areas that are blinding snow storms and glaciers that they described...........no reptile will ever survive there. im just hoping that bethesda makes some excuse in skyrim for them being there. best thing is to just say that some argonians are warm blooded and some arent. i just hope its good enough for the lore freaks.

whats weird is that ive been debating a subject that i literally dont care that much about since i never play beast races. :laugh:

you know its funny. i never play the argonian or khajiit races either. and never care to. i dont want to be a lizard man. or a cat person.
i dont even know why im defending this. youve made the best point so far. in that you made me realize i really dont care.

Absolutely no information there pertinent to this topic..at all.

Except for breeeeeeediiiingaaah

Anyone still debating this should go to the Imperial Library,or even just the lore forum here, and do a search for argonians. There are several dev posts talking about how the Hist cause the argonians to adapt to different areas, or to serve different purposes.

Also, listen to Lady N and Hellmouth. They know their lore.

That's such a cop-out though.

yeah. we like to argue.

So is causing a split timeline to allow all six endings of Daggerfall to happen.

Devs gonna dev

Also, it may be a copout, but its an awesome one. Sentient lizards < Sentient lizards controlled by a hivemind of ancient sentient trees with roots that run to aetherius

It has been stated in an in-game book that Argonians do have trouble with cold or are atleast uncomfortable fighting in it. I cannot remember the book however. If someone could find it and elaborate...

Basks-in-Sun, Kakistos. But, then there's Right-Wind, who makes the meta joke that because he can wear boots, he's much happier in cold climate.

I have read in lore that the argonians have problems with cold climates. Perhaps there will be less of them in the population. .. and, subsequently, a LOT of Dark Elves in the Skyrim border mountains along the outer boundaries of Morrowind. The Elves would have chosen a place unfavourable to their enemies, and the mountains of Skyrim certainly do not favour the lizard folk.

Like I stated previously, the lore, specifically about Argonians is vague and contradicts itself at best. so we have to make Nirn related logical deductions. Obviously they are not Reptiles because they have gills and mammary glands. They are obviously not fully exothermic because they would be totally impractical to play as (constantly having to absorb heat and UVB for calcium). This leads to them being fluctuating endotherms that do apparantly rely on homeothermic regulation to some degree.

Edit: And like Hellmouths been shouting:

Come closer and see
See into the trees...

Oh God Xarnac. Mammory glan. . . blach :sick: You just made me think about an argonian briast feeding. As a result. . . I just threw up a little in my mouth. :yuck:

Except the nords are not that friendly with elves in the first place, and they're living in their home turf.

You ask me, they're in an even worse position, and live only due to the graces of the nords being tolerant of them, which is quite rare for Skyrim nords. Remember, these are the guys who love to boast about how many elves they kill, killing all of the falmer, and regularly invaded Morrowind.

It may be a TES Travels game but, in Shadowkey there were Argonians in Skyrim, not to metion you could play as one.

That document has always been a tad racist.

Argonians are extremely magical beings in nature. It is implied that their offspring can both hatch from eggs OR be live born. Their connection to the ancient and apparently powerful Hist trees is most likely the cause for such things.

Its called Scaled pudding in Argonia.

You and I obviously have very different tastes.

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