So it looks like i can get New Vegas with all the add-ons pretty cheaply on Steam this week, but here's the thing: i much prefer my single-player games in hard-copy, and i much prefer being able to install them without needing an internet connection (which makes a hard-copy almost pointless). Is it so far out to think that in the not too distant future i might have more important things to pay for than internet service, or that internet service might otherwise become unavailable? Is it right that i would be arbitrarily denied access to a game that i should have every right to play, just because i can't log on to its associated Steam account?

Bottom line: i could pay $33 for New Vegas and all it's add-ons right now and be done with it (maybe i will, maybe i won't). But if the $40 Ultimate Edition were to be Steamless, i would much rather wait until 02/07/2012 and buy it with abandon. Help me decide, o gamesas representatives.

Wishing for it won't make it happen. Don't let this Steam sale pass you buy if you want the game. I'd been expecting this and had held out on buying Lonesome Road, GRA and Courier's Stash (ugh, but it was only $1 and I wanted a complete game) until today. Now I've spent the past 4 hours making a mod that hides all the stupid DLC and especially Courier's Stash popups. -_-

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There's about 1/500 for their to be a Steamless New Vegas, with New Vegas and Skyrim Steam-based there is a good chance that all future Beth games will be Steam-based too. :celebration:

Never going to happen, and hopefully more Publishers will start using Steamworks.

That would be an ultimate edition. One that would convince me to buy FO:NV (again).

Given how the FO3 GOTY edition didn't ditch GFWL and how steam is even more integrated into FNV's code... I wouldn't bet on it.

Just buy during the steam sale, while you can.

My him-hawing has paid off. The price has now halved from where it was previously. Now if my fears come true, my only loss would be the hundreds of hours i spend customizing this game.


But do you think they should require Steam?

Steamworks requires Steam, so yes.

its not like its a bad program, if you want a bad program, install EA's Origin.

I looked up http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/, and if i'm reading the FAQ right, you don't need to make Steam a requirement to install a game:


Another thing i found out is if you're unfortunate enough to live in some busybody's paradise, Steam will enforce a government's laws regarding game availability and content (not that i blame Steam). Someone in Germany or Australia can't just mail-order a game of their choice if Steam is the gatekeeper.

What they mean is if a company publishes through Steam, they're allowed to also publish through other venues. If you buy a Steamworks version of a game, that means it requires Steam.

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Steam is one of the most vile things to happen to PC gaming. It would be great if FNV was Steamless but highly unlikely.

Alternatively, Steam is the single best thing to happen to computer games: a digital distribution system without asinine install limits and the prospect of lasting decades. As long as you have an internet connection, you can access your entire library of (Steam) games from wherever, without having to carry around a stack of CDs (or DVDs, or whatever the brick-and-mortar version of a game would come on), and for games that use the Steam Cloud, you don't even lose save games if a hard drive goes belly up. It also cuts out the entire reinstall process if you reinstall Windows since Steam handles any game setup the first time you launch the game on a machine (assuming you didn't format your drive and still have your pre-reinstall-of-Windows Steam folder).

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The good thing with a Steamworks game is that you can buy a hardcopy and it's also in Steam.

So you can buy the box to put on the shelf, plus you have all the advantages of Steam

:rofl:

How do you figure? it gives Indies Devs a platform to get their games out there, amazing sales that save PC gamers lots and lots of money, automatic updates, Steam Cloud, Steam community.

so how is it vile?

Nope. Steam is far less annoying than most DRM 'solutions' which would otherwise be forced upon us (the truly vile SecuROM and StarForce spring to mind). Also, patches and DLC are easy to acquire, and the knock-down sales are awesome (have bought a ton of games and DLC for under ￡5 over last couple of years).

I used to dislike Steam, but I now have over 50 games on it, and will probably end up with a lot more over the coming months (Autumn/Winter sales are awesome). You don't have to like Steam, but avoiding good games because of it is just silly.

Main problem with Steam is that a stable connection is basically required to do your business. Don't have that? You're increasingly SOL as more publishers work with Steam. Get yourself somewheres civilized.

Offline mode has worked for me this far. I don't give a damn about achievements/hour count and I download my patches when I feel like it, so I use Offline. No problems this far.