Kids these days with their dumbed down good vs. evil games.

I didnt know disliking turn based combat makes you shallow. Learn something new everyday.

Im barely 20-30 hours into NV, and am enjoying it much more than Fallout 3. Finally my choices really makes a difference. I love the NPC's. They have so much more character. So do the compainions and thier extra missions give you more of a connection with them. I want to get a new companion, but I really want to find out about Boones wife more.

Yes, this is a rant. If you don't want to read it, then leave.

For everyone interested, I play on 360.

I have finished Fallout: New Vegas so don't tell me to give it a chance.

This game, compared to Fallout 3, is a huge let down. I enjoyed playing it, but it is really nowhere near the standard that Fallout 3 was at. Let me explain.

The Story:
The story in this was just awful. I mean come on guys, at least think of something exciting and something that's going to draw me in? I hate the fact that you have to side with one of the factions. It was so much more simple and enjoyable when you were working with one faction in Fallout 3. Also, I was confused countless amounts of times. Quests that start and fail immedietly? Quests that start then complete immedietly? Completing one quest then failing another? I had no idea what to do.

I differ a little with your explaination, because I loved the Vegas backdrop and thought the story went well ( not ideal, but well ), but I was super frustrated with the incompleted/bugged quests

The Bugs:
The engine seems to be even more unstable than the one in Fallout 3. It seems like they just got the Fallout 3 engine, found all of the major bugs, then amplified them and made them even worse. On one of my saves, I can't go into third person view. This is usually the view I use while travelling. Then it's crashed about ten times while I've just been walking along.

I had simlar experiences, but 3rd person isn't an option I use regulary, however entering and exiting VATS created so many lags/freezes for me


The Ending:
This face should describe my feelings for the ending > ?.? It was ridiculous. And, *SPOILER ALERT* At the end when you have to fight the leigon (only done this in two endings, with Mr House and with Yes Man) How do they expect you do that!? I know I'm going to get a load of posts telling me I svck, but I had it on Very Easy and I was struggling. Fighting about 30 of the leigon who all take ages to die is ridiculous! It's almost impossible!

Didn't finish the game yet, so I'm not even looking past the spolier, which I thank you for stating that alert! :tops:

The Achievements:
On Fallout 3, I used the achievements to find the side-quests. On this, none of the side-quests have achievements! I have no idea how many there are or where to find them! Stupidity!

Achievements/Trophies don't really qualify for judgement on the game as a whole, but FO3 was the 1st game I got a Platinum for.

That's the end of my rant. Please leave your opinions/comments.

You seem to fail to understand opinions.

No, I understand opinions quite well, and I respect them. I just happen to think that most games, especially most of today's RPGs, have been dumbed down from their choices of good and bad with shades of grey (Fallout, Fallout 2, and New Vegas) to their choices of just good or bad (Fallout 3).

The one thing that bothers me though is how easy they make quests, you have an arrow right where you need to go. Where is the sense of discovery, or accomplishment when you finally figure it out.

And that's when the game gives you choices. How many of FO3's quests could only be done one way? Quite a few, if I recall.

sounds like someone needs to get off Obsidians nutz! Face it, they didn't do it better! ha!

Indeed you do. It's because most new gamers these days don't really think "turn based combat" when they think of RPG. They think of something like Oblivion, something real-time. Well, for western RPGs anyway.

To me both the games are roughly equal. The problem I have with these games, while I do enjoy them, is I am never pushed to actually do the main quest. Unlike FO, where I felt like I needed to find that blasted water chip, I just roam the around exploring the environment. I was level 30 before I got the platinum chip, why rush there isn't any hurry. Also, its nearly impossible to fail miserably in FO3 and FONV, which in some respects is good, since you don't waste hours just to find out you screwed yourself over by your choices. FO was frustrating game, but consequently I felt "I am going to figure this out, no way this game is going to best me."

The one thing that bothers me though is how easy they make quests, you have an arrow right where you need to go. Where is the sense of discovery, or accomplishment when you finally figure it out.

From the way you worded this, I can't tell if you agree or disagree with me.

But I agree with this statement of yours.



It sounds like someone needs to stop caressing the balls of Fallout 3, and learn to utilize .

In all reality, New Vegas is much better than Fallout 3 in almost every aspect.

So new gamers are shallow because they dont think of RPG's the way you do. Keep on digging that hole.

I hate turn based combat. I have for 20 years. Its the only thing that put me off to Fallout when it first came out. Loved the premise, hated the combat. So I didnt play it.

Doesnt make me shallow. I just play what I like.

Thank you for confirming my theory! I would also like to add, FO3 didn't get GOTY because it was just an ok game!

I don't think of RPGs in one combat style or in one way. I think of it in a broad spectrum of ideas and possibilities. As I said, most new gamers these days have a strictly linear thought on what a western RPG should be like, and if it's not that way, they don't bother with it.

More power to you, but why you couldn't put it aside for the other great aspects is beyond me. For instance, I hated Morrowind's combat with a passion, but I got past it and learned to enjoy the game for what it was.

Again, more power to you.

It got GOTY because the mainstream public and press don't know any better.

This is a fact that I'm sure many people here would be glad to back me up on.

I couldnt put it aside because as soon as I got into a battle I would want to turn off the game. The last game with turn based game play I beat was Super Mario RPG. When it first came out.

Ive tried now and again to get into other games like that, but turn based combat annoys me to no end. So I dont play.

At least I give it another go every few years or so. How you cant understand that turn based combat isnt some peoples bag, is beyond me.

Yes, this is a rant. If you don't want to read it, then leave.
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I do understand that, as I used to not like turn based combat as well. What I don't understand is how the new gamers downrate a game on it even though they haven't even bothered to give it a shot.

I do understand that, as I used to not like turn based combat as well. What I don't understand is how the new gamers downrate a game on it even though they haven't even bothered to give it a shot.

100% agreed.

GOTY doesn't even mean anything anymore. It's just a big popularity contest. I'm pretty sure Black Ops will get GOTY instead of New Vegas just because it's more popular, not because it's better.

Well, the simple answer to that is that many people in this new generation of gamers believe that they know better without actually experiencing something. It's actually a trait that shows up in many other areas, not just gaming. I don't know whether to call it arrogance, or ignorance, or both.

Bottom line is, if someone tries something and they don't like it, that's all good. But if they criticize something and haven't or are unwilling to try it, then it's pretty much intellectually dishonest on their part.

Of course, there are obvious exceptions to the rule. Murder isn't something that should be tried or liked, for instance.

How's life on your mutant high-horse?

The people who have played NV, and think FO3 was better, can post their opinion without being belittled and insulted. Especially by those people who claim to be mature gamers, wizened by the true meaning of fine entertainment.

Golly-Gee-Willikers people, grow up.