imo call of duty world at war was the last good call of duty says my illustrious opinion.

John:The last *simple* call of duty. They took the series and made it more...different. Kind of how Fallout is going, ya know?

Meh you have a point but we probably need to see what it's like in skyrim but it has the potential to blow your freakin mind.

The way I described it, is basically how Beth advertised it. "Random person tells you to go to a dungeon, pick up X, bring it back." There is a lot of potential, if given some thought, I won't deny that, but I haven't really heard of it being used that way as Skyrim seems to strive for quantity over quality once again.

Bethesda gave them a set time to develop and release New Vegas using the same engine as Fallout 3.

I know i'm just basically drooling at what could of been.

Yeah man I can't wait for that Creation engine and all the cool new stuff Bethesda says they're putting in. Their hype machine has never lied through its' teeth before right?

Should we dig out some Oblivion tech vids that advertized all the snazzy stuff that never made it into Oblivion because they where scripted to be pure advertizements for hype?

I can't see how or why beth would lie about what they have already stated about skyrim but whatever gets you going.

To drum up enthusiasm and boost sales of course. That's the point of everything they release about Skyrim. They've got away with it before so why not try it again?

Oblivion's Radiant AI ring a bell?

Okie: Let's not pick on 2006 technology! We are nearing 2012 now! 6 year difference. Therefore, this game must be 6x better than Oblivion!

Flawless logic. :laugh:

Well, there has to be more to it than that, since there's a mod that does the same for Oblivion. As a side feature.

I can't help but remember Oblivion's radiant story, mainly the lack of it.

It's called advertising. As soon as any company gets your money, they stop caring about the customer.

As many have already stated, look at Oblivion. There were so many features promised for that game - and then they disappeared into dust...

It's a damn shame, but those people are right. The Creation Engine may be awesome, but we can't assume that. Better to have no expectations and be dazzled, rather than have high expectations and be disappointed.

Oh Oblivion... What could have been *sniff*.

Dont hype youselves boys, or you will be disapointted, stay chill, and judge the game when its released,

Remember, Advertesing, Trailers and covers always lies, well most of the time

False advertising, over here is called Fraudulent Misrepresentation, can be taken to court over. Maybe I should take Beth/ZeniMax to court if their trailers lie to me?

This. When money is around and it gets to the seasons they want that next best seller out the door on time.

Plenty of game makers lie to you. The only difference being that rather than blatantly lying, they merely stretch the truth.

Look at the Halo 3 trailers as a prime example. The diorama trailer evoked feelings of a great battle. Though the ad never SPECIFIED that such a battle would take place in-game, it hinted at it (Master Chief was in the battle, and he saved humanity, so it's perfect game material). A lot of people got hyped up over that one scene, bought Halo 3, and then were disappointed to find that such a scene was not in the game.

Stretching the truth =/= lying

Many videogame developers will stretch the truth to make their product more appealing, hence why you shouldn't trust the trailers that Bethesda/Zenimax are showing you of the Creation engine. They could be completely different renders meant to show how well the engine CAN perform, should it be maxed out, but not how well the engine CURRENTLY performs.

Thinking of New Vegas as a large, glorious expansion to FA3 helps, as that is basically what it is.
Although I waited for the NV GOTY before buying, I'm still glad they built it on the existing engine and released it sooner. It's the only game that's given me any real value as I wait for Diablo 3 and Skyrim.

Im kind of tired of new vegas being called an expansion to fallout DC, seriously this generation "Super Mario Bros 3 is just Super Mario Bros 1" "Fallout 2 is just a big expansion to Fallout 1" "Thief 2 looks pretty similar to Thief and uses the same engine it cannot be considered a standalone game" "Call of Duty MW2 is amazing... Call of Duty Black Ops is so new and amazing... Call of Duty MW3 looks amazing" "The Empire Strikes back uses pretty much the same characters as A New Hope and has only marginally better effects, it is obviously just an extension of A New Hope and not its own film"

But you dont need FO3 to play NV, so its not an expansion

Cool logic here bro

It's not an expansion find a river, build a bridge, and get the over it.