Football Thread - World Cup Special V : Othor Games

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:36 am

Buy me a pint, Rothwell!

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:42 am

Atrocious work by the referee. The second card for Kaka was totally uncalled for.

Ivory Coast have proven themselfs to be pathetic losers.

EDIT: On a different note, the second half actually had some pretty great football. Bravo!

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:18 am

Ridiculous sending off. Should be a retrospective ban for the IC player. And the whole Italy squad, just to make me happy.

That said, losing Kaka for the next game might not be a terribly bad thing for Brazil. He's looked pretty poor these two games, so a sharper player could probably contribute more.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:59 am

Ridiculous sending off. Should be a retrospective ban for the IC player. And the whole Italy squad, just to make me happy.

That said, losing Kaka for the next game might not be a terribly bad thing for Brazil. He's looked pretty poor these two games, so a sharper player could probably contribute more.

They're through anyway, so if he is suspended it doesn't really matter anyway. That red should definitely be rescinded though.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:59 am

That match really went downhill fast after Ivory Coast scored....

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:30 am

Just observing Luis Fabiano's handiwork. Incredible. :shakehead:

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:47 pm

Just observing Luis Fabiano's handiwork. Incredible. :shakehead:

You referring to his second goal? Looked okay to me. There was contact with his arm, but I wouldn't say that intent was there. Good call by the ref, I thought.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:44 am

You referring to his second goal? Looked okay to me. There was contact with his arm, but I wouldn't say that intent was there. Good call by the ref, I thought.

There were two contacts with his arm. Using your arm to control the ball so it falls in front of your feet so you can shoot? Ha. I hope replays of it will appear on YouTube or somewhere soon so I can link to it and tell you exactly at which two points Fabiano used his arms to control the ball, yes, use his arms to control the ball.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:14 am

You referring to his second goal? Looked okay to me. There was contact with his arm, but I wouldn't say that intent was there. Good call by the ref, I thought.

The first "handball" could have been given against him since it did hit his hand, but it didn't look deliberate. The second was never handball in the first place, since it struck his upper arm and by my understanding handball has to be from the elbow down? Was a cracking goal though

EDIT: Veeno, that's where the BBC really are excelling just now. They have replays of key moments (goals, penalties, sending offs) up within about 10 minutes of the event, even if the game's still playing, and the live stream online is smooth despite the volume of traffic they must have. Which is more than I can say about ITV's... Viewers in the UK only though I'm afraid. (Incidentally, anyone in the UK who wants to watch ITV games online, watch on the STV site instead of ITV. Their live player is so much better.)

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:31 pm

The second was never handball in the first place, since it struck his upper arm and by my understanding handball has to be from the elbow down?

It's not from the elbow down, that would be ridiculous. It's handball when it hits the arm, i.e. below the shoulder (so shoulder is not handball, but anything beyond that is). Also, when he's trying to control the ball which is falling from above the arm has no reason to be above his head, unless he plans to control the ball with the arm, which he did in the second instance.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:29 pm

It's not from the elbow down, that would be ridiculous. It's handball when it hits the arm, i.e. below the shoulder (so shoulder is not handball, but anything beyond that is). Also, when he's trying to control the ball which is falling from above the arm has no reason to be above his head, unless he plans to control the ball with the arm, which he did in the second instance.

The seam of the sleeve is a good general indicator of where handball territory starts. Also, he was trying to chest-trap the ball so that it would land at his feet. To do so, you need to make you chest concave, and putting your arm up is one of the easiest ways to do so. There really appeared to be no deliberate attempt to use his arm, so it becomes a judgement call on the ref's part, and I think he made the right choice.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:03 am

The seam of the sleeve is a good general indicator of where handball territory starts. Also, he was trying to chest-trap the ball so that it would land at his feet. To do so, you need to make you chest concave, and putting your arm up is one of the easiest ways to do so. There really appeared to be no deliberate attempt to use his arm, so it becomes a judgement call on the ref's part, and I think he made the right choice.

*sigh*... Double standards on this forum are so cute.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:43 am

The seam of the sleeve is a good general indicator of where handball territory starts. Also, he was trying to chest-trap the ball so that it would land at his feet. To do so, you need to make you chest concave, and putting your arm up is one of the easiest ways to do so. There really appeared to be no deliberate attempt to use his arm, so it becomes a judgement call on the ref's part, and I think he made the right choice.

I think he made the wrong choice. :shrug:

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:27 pm

*sigh*... Double standards on this forum are so cute.

Eh, wot?

I think he made the wrong choice. :shrug:

Well, I've been a FIFA-certified referee for 12 years, so I hope you'll understand when I stick with my own judgement. :shrug:

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:26 am

Eh, wot?

Well, I've been a FIFA-certified referee for 12 years, so I hope you'll understand when I stick with my own judgement. :shrug:

Good for you. I played soccer for 10 years and was a referee for 5. I'll stick with mine.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:55 pm

Good for you. I played soccer for 10 years and was a referee for 5. I'll stick with mine.

I've played for over twenty years, mostly premier level, including a season with the Olympic Development Program, but the travelling was too expensive for that.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:07 pm

Yeah? Well I invented football, played for 75 years, won the World Cup with Hamilton and the Champions League with Israel, and won the 1865 golden boot playing in goal.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:15 am

I've played for over twenty years, mostly premier level, including a season with the Olympic Development Program, but the travelling was too expensive for that.

The world wants your money. :lol:

So i'm not sure who the runner up for this group will be. I'm leaning towards Portugal, but we'll see.

EDIT:
^^^^^^ All hail the football god. :bowdown:

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:16 am

So i'm not sure who the runner up for this group will be. I'm leaning towards Portugal, but we'll see.

Ivory Coast isn't out yet, but if I were them, I would be contesting Kaka's card. They need Brazil to smash Portugal if they want to advance.

They play Korea next, right? I think they can beat them.

Yeah? Well I invented football, played for 75 years, won the World Cup with Hamilton and the Champions League with Israel, and won the 1865 golden boot playing in goal.

Liar. Everyone knows you are pants in goal.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:40 am

Ivory Coast isn't out yet, but if I were them, I would be contesting Kaka's card. They need Brazil to smash Portugal if they want to advance.

They play Korea next, right? I think they can beat them.

Liar. Everyone knows you are pants in goal.

I like Ivory Coast, mainly for Drogba, and would like to see them get to the knockout stages, but I wasn't impressed with how they finished that half.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:04 am

I like Ivory Coast, mainly for Drogba, and would like to see them get to the knockout stages, but I wasn't impressed with how they finished that half.

I wouldn't mind seeing any of those teams advance; it is one of the more interesting groups. Who I am really rooting for now, though, is Slovakia. Go guys, knock Italy out! Woo! :woot:

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:20 am

:huh:

The big bad thread of one upmanship?

I think it was handball, football is always boils down to differing opinions though, no escaping it.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:00 pm

Incidentally, who is this Joanne person in the Brazil team that the commentators keep mentioning? And on that note, what's the story with Juan? He's listed in every line-up, but I never hear him mentioned.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:40 am

Incidentally, who is this Joanne person in the Brazil team that the commentators keep mentioning? And on that note, what's the story with Juan? He's listed in every line-up, but I never hear him mentioned.

He's a sort of average, tall defender who plays in Serie A. I don't really rate him but Brazil arguably don't have a better partner for Lucio.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z145/Cryptoparrot/Engsquad.png?t=1277074480 When I saw that toy I had to make a lineup, I'm weak... :cryvaultboy: Anywho, that's how I'd set the team out. Can't be any worse than what we've been turning out.

» Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:35 am

The referee actually asked Fabiano if he handballed it as they were going back to the centre circle. I wonder what he said? Si senor, I have to tell the truth, who wants to win a silly copa anyway?

Kewell got sent off, Fabulous Fabs as he is officially known adds to his tally. What the referee didn't see is almost as interesting as what the Butler saw, don't you think? And Kaka is simply a victim of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RKo_50sWW4, bwuahaha from someone with Turkish blood and a long memory. Brazil are like "Oh no we have to do without Kaka, what shall we do?" The answer is probably score more goals, I reckon they were close to dropping him anyway.