I keep reading how people want to play on hardcoe mode, but not the first time. So wouldn't this be cheating then? Now you will know what areas to avoid, where to get the free water or suplies and how to react to certian situations. Yes I know playing a single player game dosen't harm anyone but what bothers me, is reading when people say, yeah I will play hard core and be so good at it, but after my 1st playthrough. So how bad ass can you be when you know where everything is? It sort of defeats the purpose for people saying they are so good at it.

Now I am reading this is toggable on and off when ever you want, so I can understand if you are stuck you turn it off, play till you are on stuck and turn it on again. (I like this know, I don't care for achievements much) but at least you are trying to play without knowing where anything is.

So for the people who thing they will be bad ass playing hardcoe only after playing it once in non hardcoe mode, why? Are you doing this, so you will know where to go, and what to get to make it easier for you? Isn't this sort of defeating the purpose then? Why make hardcoe easier for yourself?

Why not start playing on hardcoe and then turn it off when you need to, and then turn it back on again? You only have one time for this game to be fresh for you, so why ruin it by doing a "trial" non hardcoe playthrough. You will spoil it for yourself then.

I guess what I am trying to say, is I don't want to hear people brag how they play the game on "hardcoe" when they didn't do it the first playthrough. How can you brag when you already know what is going on. Just like to read your opnions on this.

Wouldn't playing Fallout 3 prior to Fallout New Vegas be considered cheating? :laugh:

Maybe they just want to play the game on casual first just to see how much of a change HCM really is.

Cheating? Not at all.

I am of the belief that you can't cheat in a single player game unless you cheat yourself. And if your preference is to play through on regular the first time through before playing hardcoe you would be cheating yourself only if you did not do what you desired to do.

It's also my understanding that you can't simply turn it on and off. If you start with it and find it to hard and, turn it off you can't use it again until you start a new game. I could be wrong as I'm still un-patiently waiting for the game on tuesday. :drool:

Although I intend to play in hardcoe mode the first time, I think that your argument doesn't make much sense. According to what you say, every game you play for the second time it is cheating just because you know your way through and therefore you shouldn't play a game more than once. Besides, there's no reason to brag about the hardcoe mode as it has nothing to do with difficulty but it simply exists to make the game more realistic and all that is required is a bit more micromanagement.

I am going to play on hardcoe mode the first time because i am a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpGVsiS7bBw&feature=related. And that is just what manly men do. When challenges look us in the face, we slap them and say no eye contact! :foodndrink:

Wouldn't playing the game without stabbing yourself in the eye be cheating?

:rofl:

I'm going to play normal game first, then on the second playthrough I'm going to pick the hardcoe mode.

I think playing normal first is better, because you will have better contrast between non-hardcoe/hardcoe modes, once you start playing again and feel that game feels harder even tho' you already know it in large portion after the first playthrough.

That is what I thought so too, but reading another post 20 minutes ago and someone said you can turn it on and off, but not get the achievment once it's turned off. So I am thinking it is toggable one and off how many times you want now. I guess in 3 days we will find this confirmed or not.

At Miltos, this is more for people who brag about playing HC modebut only after finding out all the tricks and were to get the "stuff" you need to survive. So I say, how can you brag about something when you already know where the "stuff" is. If you read a few posts in the forums, you can see how some people already think it's great to do this and makes them better than others. I just laugh when in the their next sentence is they will do this the 2nd time around not the first.

think of it this way: you have 2 pizzas. they both taste good but one tastes better. if you eat the less tasty one you still have the tastier one to look forward to. if you eat the tastier one, then eating the less tasty one is kinda a disappointment. non-hardcoe: less tasty but still tasty pizza. hardcoe: tastier pizza that you get to look forward to while eating the less tasty but still tasty pizza

Does it matter? I don't understand why you care if people brag. I don't get why there is a thread for it. Just play the game how you want to play it, don't pay attention to other people's preferences.

I really hope that thread was just speculation because, it wouldn't make hardcoe all that hardcoe if you can turn it on and off at will. It would also break the entire purpose of using it.

How is that cheating? That is like saying if you want to play Call Of Duty 4 on Normal Difficulty then after that going back through on Veteran would make you a cheater.

To be honest I never play a game past normal difficulty the first time through. My reason for that is making sure I don't end up hating the game if its excessively hard, plus it gives you a general rundown on how things work & play out. (Nothing wrong or "cheating" about wanting to play through once without wanting to deal with all those Hunger, Sleep, and H2O meters.) :tops:

Don't see how it is cheating... It certainly tarnishes your bragging rights. Personally I play the hardest dififculty of any game I get. I hate it when they lock the hardest difficulty on me (mass effect I believe did this...) until i beat it first. For me, games like Demon Souls or Monster Hunter Tri (both insanely hard) are the best kind of games. Fallout is my second favorite series behind Civilization (although really it is more of a tie). My only complain about FO3, and Oblivion for that matter, was not hard enough. Still great. I'm super excited about HC mode though I wish it increased the actual difficulty too not just micromanagement. But hey, i'll take what I can get

I am the opposite. I always play a game on maximum difficulty. I will play Fallout: New Vegas on the highest difficulty and in hardcoe mode the first time through because I am a REAL ROBOT!

How is it cheating? So say we play on non hard core mode. We go to a "blue box" and find it has a stash of stim packs and food. So now once we play "hardcoe" now we will go straigh to the "blue box" knowing that there will be stim packs and food. So how is this making "hardcoe" harder if we already know where to go to get free extra stim packs and food then? Part of the challenge is gone, we know where to go for free stuff.

Also saying we go on the "gold road" in softcoe mode, we will find some deathclaws. So now in hardcoe mode, we will not go down the "gold road" because we know there is deathclaws and we will not be able to tackele them on. So again, how is it being harder in hardcoe mode when we know what will happen?

So you see what I mean by "cheating" is? Maybe I am using the wrong word. I know it's one thing playin the game, then playing in hardcoe mode for a different game play, but it's another to say, yeah I want the challenge, but only after where I know where everything is.

It's not cheating, it'll just be a different experience.

We understand what you're saying. But why does it matter what other people do? It doesn't. Play it, enjoy it. That's all that should matter. If you don't like that someone is bragging about doing what you are describing? Ignore them. The only experience that matters in this game is yours.

Actually we don't own the game, just the lisence. . yeah I know, this is for another topic.

It is confirmed in one of the xplay interviews.

Personally, I don't see hardcoe mode as some uber badass mode to use right off the bat to prove how good I am or anything. For me it's more of a way to add an additional layer of difficulty I can use to put the challenge back in after I've more or less mastered the basic game and keep me coming back the second, third, fourth time and probably beyond. So I don't think it's cheating, I look at it more along the lines of how games like Devil May Cry or Demon's Souls or something, let you play again with all you're epic gear, but up the difficulty considerably to keep the challenge there.

I just herd Pete Heinz say it can be turned off and on. So I am assuming that would mena it any game, and not just turned on or off when you start a new game. I am listening to what you call it, a live blog or what not? It's an interview that somoene posted the link on a different post. Interesting stuff. I guess most of you gusy herd all this, but I am learning new things. Good hear for those who don't know.

What he is saying is that people who play the game first in non-hc mode will spoil the difficulty of hc mode. Cus ur playing hc mode for the difficulty not cus you wanna just play the game with it on. This wont make sens to alot of ppl.
But i agree with him. I WILL play the game (1st play through) on the highest difficulty and with hc mode on. Every game i play is on the highest difficulty for the challenge and honor XD.