He's not the one that has to prove a point. Anyone with common sense can see that it's a middle class family. You're acting like it's unrealistic that a middle class family can afford what that family has, when it happens all the time in our world. Payment Plans are a thing that exist, you know? It's a thing people can do where if they want to say, pay for a expensive car, they don't have to pay for it all at once, but can do it in monthly increments. And believe it or not, Middle Class families can afford things like maids and computers, so is it really so much a stretch of the imagination that our protagonist's family can afford a Robot Butler, when such a thing was being heavily advertised and sold all over the place?

Given the era Fallout is based off of, it really is not out of the question that society was based heavily off fulfilling the "American Dream." And anyone who has taken a very basic American history class will know that Post WW2 America which again, the culture of Fallout's pre-war society is HEAVILY based off of, was a time where spending, and capitalism as a whole, were EXTREMELY encouraged all throughout the country.

So, unless you have some kind of secret, firm facts that prove your theory, you're wrong. And if you still want to deny it? Fine. But please, don't try to force your ignorance onto the rest of us.

I disagree. My point is that while Nora and Nate may certainly not be the worst off, and there's probably many, many, people worse off than them. Saying they are in the elite 1% is hyperbole. That's the same class as high-ranking senators, members of the Enclave, the Mayor of Boston, CEO's and Dean Domino ( ).

The United States was always a world of rampant political and capitalistic corruption. A capitalistic society gone rogue.

Nora and Nate are not in the same class of people as what we see the actual 1% are. The wealthy people able to buy their way out of the draft, and who aren't serving as foot soldiers in an armed conflict. They are undoubtedly wealthy and pretty well off relatively speaking, but not the upper-crust of the upper-crust of this out of control capitalist society.

Uh thanks?

Just trying to be friendly but okay.

I conceded the point that they're the 1% (STILL, THOUGH), but I still maintain that they are damn well off compared to the rest of the United States, especially Canadians up north. Still, the size of the 1% is pretty huge - four million people in 2077. That's not something to scoff at.


Nah, just saying that if you and Martyr say it, then I am quite likely wrong. You two are people whose opinion matters to me a great deal, especially when we differ.

I agree they're well-off. Nora has a law degree and I'm sure Nate is getting a nice fat pension. I just don't think you can qualify them as "elite," that would be the same class of people like the hoity toity mayor of Boston in his huge personal fallout shelter (damn rich folks ).

Upper-middle is a better classification relatively speaking in my opinion.

Well thank you, I appreciate that.

But if I disagree, I'm just being deranged, right? Still waiting for where WC BoS got those airships from. When I proposed that they found them and rebuilt them(even listing all the airship bases in California), you just scoffed and made fun of me, saying it was impossible, and even said FoT was not canon, that it shouldn't be BoS in the MW. Not to mention BoS lacked any kind of skill to rebuild or fly them, yet now we have CW BoS build one from scratch themselves(when you also claimed the CW BoS could never do such a thing and had no industrial capability) and lo and behold, again, in another game, confirmation of WC airships that were no doubt used by MWBoS.

They could be upper, they could be middle. It is a fairly modest house, imo, for upper middle class. I also wonder how fat that pension would be, as that is government money, and when the economy hits the fan, stuff like that is usually the first stuff cut, and I also think whatever his pension would be is in part based on his pay grade and years of service, which if he joined up at 18, is roughly 17 years, and do we know what his rank was? Captain maybe? A fat pension would be a general who spent 40+ years in the military and retired. What I can say is his pension is going to be less than what he was making when he was enlisted, unless he was in the military a lot longer, which we know is impossible because the SS isn't a very old man.

Upper-middle, middle. We don't know for sure unless we check Nate and Nora's tax returns, and compare their household income with the national and then local median and average household incomes. If anyone wants to volunteer to do that, be my guest.

I just say upper-middle because that's the sense that I got. But really, it depends on Nate and Nora's jobs and income. Nora has a law degree, but is/was she practicing in a major firm, or is/was she just a poor paralegal making just over minimum wage and up to her eyeballs in law school debt?

Was Nate an officer or was he just a grunt? Was his pension cut or did it balloon because of V-A Day?

The game makes it purposefully ambiguous no doubt. But I do think we can put them somewhere in the middle class solidly. Upper is my guess personally. They definitely aren't on the same level as the Mayor, but they also don't appear to be financially struggling either in a one room shack. With a nice car, cool robot, and a pretty nice suburban home.

But who knows? Ultimately its up to the player to decide where they were. Maybe Nate and Nora were in deep with the Boston loan sharks and about to lose their house. Or maybe Nora had a gambling problem and spent all their life savings at the local casino. Or maybe they had a huge amount of money saved up and were ready to sell their house and mosey on into high society. Its up to the player to decide.