If people had actually played the game from the start in a roleplay manner, they would be talking to all the other people who give you the extra options. It shouldnt be pointed out to you.. you should explore if the option to avoid these places is even there before comming on here and moaning they dont exist. They DO exist, people just need to use some damn intelligence and not expect it to be handed to them.

It's obvious the main quest is designed to introduce new players to all aspects and options available in terms of play style and potential choices they may otherwise miss.


So you have to go see some mages....sorry Conan.

Get over it.

In my opinion the problem is that most of these radiant quests train you to follow the arrow. As if that wasn't the case in TESIV already. If there were more life in inns and pubs, I'm sure more people would spend more time there and get to know all of these optional workarounds. People aren't to blame they don't know when there's absolutely nothing to do at an inn except for the occasional bounty quest, after doing dozens of miscellaneous "follow the arrow" quests. I haven't found any feeling of depth in these and it's a bit of a surprise when you're actually presented with options in this game.

What worries me more is that it turns out true you have to join guilds nonetheless to find all Words. So in the end you're forced to do so anyway.

I don't even want to be Dragonborn....corniest thing I ever heard. At the end of the day though, there is way more good than bad and no alternative game for me right now.

I agree there could be more insentive to push players to find work arounds, but it just annoys me that people claim there isnt any without looking first.


However, yes, to get ALL the words, you do need to join some factions, only because these places are locked off to you without doing the faction quests.

I agree there could be more insentive to push players to find work arounds, but it just annoys me that people claim there isnt any without looking first.


However, yes, to get ALL the words, you do need to join some factions, only because these places are locked off to you without doing the faction quests.

That's what I thought too. Maybe people didn't always try and find another solution?

Personally I have no problem with quests that intertwine things a bit. Dragons and stuff going down? Some guilds should feature. Not necessarily as something you have to join, but go and see at least.

I know if dragons return I'd be seeking out lore and wise men.

I guess people can't read or comprehend this for some reason

YOU NEED TO RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET TO KNOW THAT

That, my friend, is a problem. The game goads and tricks you into joining. You may not be forced to, but the only option is to hop on a forum and ask around if there is a way to not commit a crime. That, to me, destroys immersion even more then the problem it is trying to fix.

Not to mention that the same questline has been going to get help from an NPC in ANOTHER faction and he wont even help me until I help him....which starts that factions questline.

Seriously. [censored] off. MY game, MY character, MY choice.

Threads like this is why something like the backpath in morrowind will never happen again. :flamethrower:

The complaints here are just getting more and more pedantic and idiotic.

Nobody is "forcing" you to do anything.It's an obvious component designed with the intent to introduce you to a side of the game sword swingers might otherwise miss.

Here's an idea.. .ignore the quest and move on.

Seriously.

No. Bethesda's game. Your character. Their Choice.

I have no idea why people are mad about this.

Hey

I had similar issues like this aswell.

My first playthough was a Nord Warrior, I hated the fact that I had to steal a ring and place it in someones pocket to find out where *spoiler* was in the main quest line. Also didnt like the fact that I had a quest to join the college to find out about the *spoiler* in main quest even though I did not talk to the woman outside the door. But on my 2nd playthrough I noticed that there was an option to say that you were a Dragonborn and that you were able to show her your shout. But guys come on, we still shouldnt have to be forced to do something that is against my character class. How can a warrior steal things and pick pocket from a guy or join the college without any knowledge of spells?

Another thing is that they also force us to join a particular faction if you want all shouts.. come on that aint good. I need to join the Dark Brotherhood to get some nice shouts when I'm playing a goody two shoes warrior...

But the thing that really blew it for me was that to complete the Mask side quest I had to become a member of the college to get inside the huge maze (forgot name). I hated that. That made me delete all my saves and I really liked my warrior.. totally regret it now.

I hate this game for the choices it makes us take but in the end its still my favourite game and I'm still playing it. On my 3rd character since on my 2nd character I'm waiting till they fix the bug to be able to get the house in Windhelm after you have completed the Civil War Quests as Imperials.

Voice

refusing bryn and talking to the tavernkeep works.
no thieves guild quest started, no thieves guild joined, no crime commited.


as for the mages guild:

It was a design decision to introduce players to all the factions through MQ, a horrible one though. Also, first rumor you'll hear from anyone, anywhere in the game is about that little kid summoning DB in Windhelm just in case you don't accidentally miss it somehow, I guess. There's literally nothing you can do in this game without Bethesda holding your hand. Not even explore because that damn compass reveals all hidden location for you.

Thank you but we're not that re.tarded Bethesda!

I ... was forced to do something horrible and completely out of character for me, ...

Yeah, the grounds should have been accessible by the public, or there should have been some dialogue to tell the [censored] at the front gate that you just want to get some questions answered about the specific item you're looking for.

There is sort of a dialogue option you get, but using it still makes you an Apprentice in the College:



It wasn't a problem with my battlemage character, but I can see how it would be if you're a warrior who doesn't even like magic.

Has anyone tried sneaking past the chick at the gate? Or found another way to get in?